17
   

During The American Revolutionary War, the state religion of Great Britain was Christianity?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 08:44 am
@George,
George wrote:
This land ain't your land
This land ain't my land
The owner lives
On a distant island
We robbed him of his real estate.
My point was that we made it clear that we objected to his
Royal abuse of our people here (taxation without representation, etc.),
but we did not explain what right that gave us to grab his property.
I don 't believe that point ever became the subject of dispute.
We did not address that point in the Declaration of Independence
and the King 's only challenge to that Declaration was purely military, not intellectual.


Re-iterating, here:
The King coud have, but did not (so far as I know)
tell the American colonists: if u don t like my rule,
then get the hell off my land and go where u prefer.
George
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 09:00 am
@OmSigDAVID,
One of his officers did issue the command "Disperse, ye rebels!"

They didn't.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 09:05 am
@George,
George wrote:
One of his officers did issue the command "Disperse, ye rebels!"

They didn't.
Yea, but whether thay r dispersed
or thay remain closely packed together,
thay remain on that land, until thay leave.

The King coud have, but did not, employ a landowner's defense.
He was satisfied to limit his response to military power.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 09:18 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
There's a big difference between reality and tradition.
Strictly speaking all land in the UK belongs to the Crown.
So if you own a house in theory it is 'held from the Crown,'
as opposed to being owned outright.

In practice if the Queen tried to exercise those rights
she would be plain old Liz Windsor in a matter of seconds.
That 's because the Royal Army was defeated 2ice, in the 16OOs (House of Stuart).
Royal authority had been predicated on military success
in the Battle of Hastings in October of 1066. That authority endured
as long as the King's army was successful.
George
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 09:19 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Yes, David. They weren't about to go very far.
My response was tongue-in-cheek.

I would guess -- but I don't know -- that by 1775 the Crown's ownership of the
land had become something of a technicality, a vestige of feaudal times.
Lordyaswas
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 09:23 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

izzythepush wrote:
There's a big difference between reality and tradition.
Strictly speaking all land in the UK belongs to the Crown.
So if you own a house in theory it is 'held from the Crown,'
as opposed to being owned outright.

In practice if the Queen tried to exercise those rights
she would be plain old Liz Windsor in a matter of seconds.
That 's because the Royal Army was defeated 2ice, in the 16OOs (House of Stuart).


No , it's because she is merely a figurehead. Armies and guns have nothing to do with it.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 09:25 am
@George,
Well, the King was more than technical
about defending it between 1775 and 1783.
Lordyaswas
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 09:26 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Parliament.

0 Replies
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 09:30 am
@Lordyaswas,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

izzythepush wrote:
There's a big difference between reality and tradition.
Strictly speaking all land in the UK belongs to the Crown.
So if you own a house in theory it is 'held from the Crown,'
as opposed to being owned outright.

In practice if the Queen tried to exercise those rights
she would be plain old Liz Windsor in a matter of seconds.
That 's because the Royal Army was defeated 2ice, in the 16OOs (House of Stuart).

Lordyaswas wrote:
No , it's because she is merely a figurehead.
Armies and guns have nothing to do with it.
NO. She is merely a figurehead,
because her ancestors' armies and their guns failed
and THAT has EVERYTHING to do with it.
izzythepush
 
  0  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 09:35 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
That 's because the Royal Army was defeated 2ice, in the 16OOs (House of Stuart).


3 times actually, but Charles II was still asked back when Cromwell died. By then we'd had a bellyful of generals. When parliament deposed James II he was replaced by William and Mary straight away.
Lordyaswas
 
  2  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 09:35 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Alright Omsig, don't get your knickers in a twist and go all multicoloured.

"NO. She is merely a figurehead,
because her ancestors' armies and their guns failed
and THAT has EVERYTHING to do with it."

No, the PARLIAMENT of her ancestor had the FIGUREHEAD of the King hanging around whilst they fought the colonies. They lost.

The British PARLIAMENT officially came into being about 70 years before all this happened.
The KING at the time could strut and be kingly as much as he liked, but it was PARLIAMENT that decided things.
oristarA
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 09:36 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

oristarA wrote:
It seems that David wants to justify the invasion of England by William the Conqueror?
Yes. He was the rightful heir.

David


Again, on what moral code have you judged it to be rightful?
oristarA
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 09:45 am
@George,
George wrote:

This land ain't your land
This land ain't my land
The owner lives
On a distant island


http://media2.onsugar.com/files/2010/03/10/1/713/7137811/c688919c41fb3445_laughing20smiley1.preview/i/Laughing-smiley-face-2.gif
0 Replies
 
oristarA
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 10:03 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

George wrote:
This land ain't your land
This land ain't my land
The owner lives
On a distant island
We robbed him of his real estate.
My point was that we made it clear that we objected to his
Royal abuse of our people here (taxation without representation, etc.),
but we did not explain what right that gave us to grab his property.
I don 't believe that point ever became the subject of dispute.
We did not address that point in the Declaration of Independence
and the King 's only challenge to that Declaration was purely military, not intellectual.


Re-iterating, here:
The King coud have, but did not (so far as I know)
tell the American colonists: if u don t like my rule,
then get the hell off my land and go where u prefer.


The answer has already been there, only if you have a comprehensive perspective on history.
Jefferson's wisdom shines once again.
Lordyaswas
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 11:05 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

oristarA wrote:
It seems that David wants to justify the invasion of England by William the Conqueror?
Yes. He was the rightful heir.

David


Again, on what moral code have you judged it to be rightful?



It was up to the Witenagemot to convene and select the next Monarch.

They chose Harold.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 11:14 am
@izzythepush,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
That 's because the Royal Army was defeated 2ice, in the 16OOs (House of Stuart).
izzythepush wrote:
3 times actually, but Charles II was still asked back when Cromwell died. By then we'd had a bellyful of generals. When parliament deposed James II he was replaced by William and Mary straight away.
I had in mind the English Civil War and the Glorious Revolution,
tho there were multiple battles in the former. Does that accord with your understanding of it ?
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 12:35 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

George wrote:
This land ain't your land
This land ain't my land
The owner lives
On a distant island
We robbed him of his real estate.
My point was that we made it clear that we objected to his
Royal abuse of our people here (taxation without representation, etc.),
but we did not explain what right that gave us to grab his property.
I don 't believe that point ever became the subject of dispute.
We did not address that point in the Declaration of Independence
and the King 's only challenge to that Declaration was purely military, not intellectual.


Re-iterating, here:
The King coud have, but did not (so far as I know)
tell the American colonists: if u don t like my rule,
then get the hell off my land and go where u prefer.


The answer has already been there, only if you have a comprehensive perspective on history.
Jefferson's wisdom shines once again.
Thank u for that information.
Please cite us to the quoted language
in the Declaration that bears upon this point of title to real estate.
Thank u.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 12:37 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

oristarA wrote:
It seems that David wants to justify the invasion of England by William the Conqueror?
Yes. He was the rightful heir.

David


Again, on what moral code have you judged it to be rightful?
The law of inheritance by bloodlines.
0 Replies
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 12:57 pm
@Lordyaswas,
Lordyaswas wrote:
Alright Omsig, don't get your knickers in a twist and go all multicoloured.
Thank u. I got a laff out of that.


DAVID wrote:
"NO. She is merely a figurehead,
because her ancestors' armies and their guns failed
and THAT has EVERYTHING to do with it."
Lordyaswas wrote:
No, the PARLIAMENT of her ancestor had the FIGUREHEAD of the King hanging around whilst they fought the colonies. They lost.

The British PARLIAMENT officially came into being about 70 years before all this happened.
The KING at the time could strut and be kingly as much as he liked, but it was PARLIAMENT that decided things.
According to your knowledge of English history, "about 7O years"
is how long the English Parliament "officially" went back?!?

I thought that it even preceded De Montfort's Parliament of 1265,
during the reign of King Henry VIII, Tudor, but I will defer
to Your Lordship's superior English Knowledge.
0 Replies
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 01:03 pm
@Lordyaswas,
oristarA wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

oristarA wrote:
It seems that David wants to justify the invasion of England by William the Conqueror?
Yes. He was the rightful heir.

David


Again, on what moral code have you judged it to be rightful?


Lordyaswas wrote:
It was up to the Witenagemot to convene and select the next Monarch.

They chose Harold.
Bill was un-willing to be screwn
out of his rightful inheritance. He DID something about it in 1O66.
 

Related Topics

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY, EVERYONE! - Discussion by OmSigDAVID
WIND AND WATER - Discussion by Setanta
Who ordered the construction of the Berlin Wall? - Discussion by Walter Hinteler
True version of Vlad Dracula, 15'th century - Discussion by gungasnake
ONE SMALL STEP . . . - Discussion by Setanta
History of Gun Control - Discussion by gungasnake
Where did our notion of a 'scholar' come from? - Discussion by TuringEquivalent
 
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.06 seconds on 12/22/2024 at 02:39:16