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Israel's Reality

 
 
buttflake
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 09:12 am
@Olivier5,
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The colonisation of the West Bank and Golan is an act of aggression, not self-defense. The Israelis are just stealing land.


They are stealing nothing. Land won in war is not given back. Or is Putin giving back Crimea?
Olivier5
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 09:28 am
@buttflake,
The Crimeans voted for Russia. Even if the vote could not be observed internationally, you can be pretty certain most Crimeans wanted the take over.

The Israelis are stealing land. And they know it.

buttflake
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 09:29 am
@Olivier5,
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The Israelis are stealing land. And they know it.


Land inside their borders cannot be stolen. Israel is a sovereign nation.
JTT
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 09:35 am
@buttflake,
Hi coldjoint. I miss your emoticons.
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BillRM
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 09:58 am
@Olivier5,
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The Crimeans voted for Russia. Even if the vote could not be observed internationally, you can be pretty certain most Crimeans wanted the take over.


LOL and I am sure if the US ever would take over Canada they would vote to be taken over after the fact......What nonsense.
buttflake
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 09:59 am
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Hamas: Its Nazi Ideology and Record


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The Palestinian – Nazi Alliance

The father of Palestinian nationalism, Amin el Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem, was the Brotherhood’s official representative in British Mandatory Palestine. He was a close collaborator with Nazi Germany at the highest levels, including Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler and Adolf Eichmann.13
http://www.crethiplethi.com/wp-content/uploads/amin-al-husseini-himmler.jpg

Grand Mufti Amin Al Husseini becomes close friend of Heinrich Himmler, Head of SS (Nazi Officers). Amin Al-Husseini is given a private tour of Aushwitz death camp by Himmler, where he insists on seeing first-hand the murder of Europe’s Jews. 1943, Amin Al-Husseini Visits Nazi Death Camp Aushwitz with Head of SS Heinrich Himmler. Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Amin Al Husseini had plans for construction of a concentration camp in Nablus (Palestine) to implement the “final solution” to exterminate the Jews there as an extension of Hitler’s plan in death camps like Aushwitz. The Mufti’s “hatred of Jews…was fathomless, and he gave full vent to it during his period of activity alongside the Nazis (October 1941-May 1945). His speeches on Berlin radio were anti-Semitic to the core: “Kill the Jews wherever you find them - this pleases God, history and religion. This saves your honor God is with you.”

On November 28, 1941 el Husseini met with Hitler in Berlin, where they discussed bringing the Holocaust to the Middle East. Hitler told el Husseini that once German forces defeated the British in North Africa, Hitler

“would offer the Arab world his personal assurance that the hour of liberation had struck. Thereafter, Germany’s only remaining objective in the region would be limited to the annihilation of the Jews living under British protection in Arab lands.”14

According to German historian Wolfgang G. Schwanitz:

“From 1941 to 1945, he (el Husseini) lived for the most part in Berlin as a guest of the German government. The Nazis provided office space, vehicles and money, so that the Mufti and his entire entourage could stay active. In return, the Mufti used his influence in the Middle East on the Nazis’ behalf and recruited Muslims for the Nazi war effort. On the airwaves of nazi Germany’s Arab language radio service, he called for a Holy War, a Jihad, against the allies and the Jews.”

In one such radio broadcast on November 2, 1943, Amin el Husseini declared:

“National Socialist Germany knows the Jews well and has decided to find a Final Solution for the Jewish danger which will end the evil in the world.”15

Amin el Husseini’s influence is still felt today. Hamas’ Covenant includes references to the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”16 (The Protocols are a forgery purporting to be the minutes of a secret meeting of international Jewish leaders plotting to take control of the world. It forms the Judeophobic basis of Nazi ideology, and has been called by historians a “warrant for genocide.”)17 Other parts of the Hamas Covenant read as if they were lifted directly from Mein Kampf.18

Hamas: Its Growth and Evolution

With the outbreak of the first Palestinian intifada in 1987, Hamas evolved into a militant organization which directed its activities not only against Israel, but also against Yassir Arafat’s Fatah, the primary group within the PLO, whose ideology is primarily nationalist and does not emphasize Islam.

During the 1990’s, Hamas emerged as a “spoiler” as it began to use suicide bombers as a means of disrupting the peace process. By the time of the “Al Aqsa” intifada in 2000, Hamas already led the way in a war of terror against Israeli civilians.

Hamas receives funding from a variety of sources: direct financial aid from Iran, donations and membership fees, fund‐raising in the Arab world and the West, from Palestinian expatriates, and private benefactors in Saudi Arabia and other Arab states.

Hamas’ Alliances: Iran, Syria, Hezbollah

“The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: ‘O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’” Hamas Covenant, Article 7


http://www.crethiplethi.com/hamas-its-nazi-ideology-and-record/israel/2010/
BillRM
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 10:10 am
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BERLIN (AP) — The foreign ministers of Germany, France and Italy on Tuesday condemned the rise in anti-Semitic protests and violence over the conflict in Gaza, saying they will do everything possible to combat it in their countries.

"Anti-Semitic rhetoric and hostility against Jews, attacks on people of Jewish belief and synagogues have no place in our societies," German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, France's Laurent Fabius and Italy's Federica Mogherini said in a joint statement issued in Brussels.

The three said that while they respect demonstrators' freedom of speech and right to assemble, they will also do everything possible to fight "acts and statements that cross the line to anti-Semitism, racism and xenophobia."

Since the outbreak of violence between Israel and Hamas, participants at anti-Israel demonstrations across Germany have frequently used anti-Semitic slogans and also called for Jews to be gassed — a reference to the killing of Jews by the Nazis in the Holocaust.

In Berlin on Tuesday afternoon, about 500 pro-Palestinian demonstrators marched from the city's Potsdamer Platz to the landmark Brandenburg Gate, chanting slogans like "Israel is murder" and "Israel bombs, Germany finances."

The most direct route for the march would have taken the protesters directly to Berlin's Holocaust Memorial, but police in riot gear steered them well around the monument to the 6 million Jews killed by Nazi Germany.

Police had to separate Berlin resident Bernd Wierer from a group of young male protesters after he started arguing with them about their chant: "Israel is fascist."

The 70-year-old said he was neither Jewish nor had any connections to Israel, but that Germany's Nazi past made it necessary for the country to be particularly vigilant about anti-Semitic slogans.

"They can demonstrate here, I support that, but you can't say those things in Germany," he said.

In France, pro-Palestinian youths have clashed repeatedly with police, and on Sunday set fire to cars, pillaged stores and attacked two synagogues in the Paris suburbs. Italy has also seen nonviolent pro-Palestinian demonstrations.

Jewish groups have expressed shock and disgust about the growing anti-Semitism in Germany and other European countries with strong Muslim communities.

"We have reached a new level of hatred and violence in all of Europe that cannot even be compared to the anti-Semitism seen during previous conflicts in Israel," said Stephan Kramer, director of the European office on anti-Semitism of the American Jewish Committee in Brussels.

French President Francois Hollande met Monday with Jewish and Muslim leaders in the Elysee Palace, where he told them that fighting anti-Semitism will be a "national cause."

In Berlin, police said Tuesday they had banned pro-Gaza protesters from chanting an anti-Semitic slogan at all protests in the city.

Police spokeswoman Cosima Pauluhn also said that they were investigating a sermon last week by imam Abu Bilal Ismail at Berlin's Al-Nur mosque in which he said Jews should be killed.

The mosque did not return calls seeking comment.

At a pro-Palestinian protest in front of the Israeli embassy in Berlin on Monday, 13 protesters were detained and police were pelted with stones.

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BillRM
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 10:14 am
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2701365/Anti-Semitic-attacks-rise-Europe-German-French-Italian-foreign-ministers-condemn-growing-hostility-against-Jews-wake-Gaza-conflict.html

It's like 1938, says Israeli ambassador to Germany: Outbreaks of anti-Semitism on the rise across Europe
Yakov Hadas-Handelsman has expressed fears over attacks on Jews
Germany: pro-Palestinians are chanting race-hate slogans against them

Jewish people are being attacked and abused on the streets of Germany as though the country were back in the Nazi era, political and religious leaders warned yesterday.

Escalating violence between Israel and Hamas in Gaza has prompted a disturbing rise in anti-Semitism in Europe in the last few days.

Murderous slogans dating back to the days of Hitler have been chanted at pro-Palestinian rallies in Germany. Jewish-owned shops were attacked and burned in riots in France at the weekend.

The Israeli ambassador to Germany, Yakov Hadas-Handelsman, said: ‘They pursue the Jews in the streets of Berlin… as if we were in 1938.’

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Since the outbreak of violence between Israel and Hamas, participants at anti-Israel demonstrations across Germany have frequently used anti-Semitic slogans and also called for Jews to be gassed
Since the outbreak of violence between Israel and Hamas, participants at anti-Israel demonstrations across Germany have frequently used anti-Semitic slogans and also called for Jews to be gassed

Protesters rally in Berlin against Israel's military in Gaza

Jewish groups expressed disgust over the tide of hate crimes and warned of ‘a new level of hatred and violence in all of Europe’.

Foreign ministers from Germany, France and Italy yesterday issued a joint statement condemning the rise in anti-Semitic protests and violence and vowed to combat hostility against Jewish people.


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In Germany, there have been reports of protesters chanting ‘Jews to the gas chambers’. Police in Berlin have banned race-hate slogans that reappeared after being originally used in the days of the Nazis.

Officers had to protect an Israeli tourist at the weekend after protesters spotted his yarmulke (a small, round cap) and reportedly charged towards him shouting ‘Jew! We’ll get you.’

Fourteen people were arrested in the western city of Essen on suspicion of planning an attack on a synagogue. The imam of a Berlin mosque is under investigation after allegedly calling on Muslims to murder ‘Zionist Jews’.

In Paris, hundreds of protesters have attacked synagogues and set fire to shops in the suburb of Sarcelles, nicknamed Little Jerusalem.

Posters urged anti-Israel demonstrators to join ‘a raid on the Jewish district’, saying: ‘Come equipped with hammers, fire extinguishers and batons.’

Jews and Arabs protest outside London's Israeli Embassy

Rioters face riot police, following a pro-Palestinian demonstration, in Sarcelles, north of Paris, on Sunday
Rioters face riot police, following a pro-Palestinian demonstration, in Sarcelles, north of Paris, on Sunday

Witnesses said several hundred youths marched on a synagogue chanting ‘Death to Jews’ and were beaten back by riot police using tear gas. The protesters then targeted a shopping centre, a kosher grocery and a Jewish-owned chemist.

Police said 19 people were arrested after the violence on Sunday. Eight synagogues in France were said to have been targeted in the last week. In the Netherlands, the home of the Dutch chief rabbi was attacked twice in one week.

Dieter Graumann, president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, said the rise in attacks was a terrifying reminder of an era that was thought to be in the distant past.

He said: ‘We are currently experiencing in this country an explosion of evil and violent hatred of Jews, which shocks and dismays all of us.

‘We would never in our lives have thought it possible any more that anti-Semitic views of the nastiest and most primitive kind can be chanted on German streets.’

French youth defying a ban on a protest against Israel's Gaza offensive went on a rampage in a Paris suburb
French youth defying a ban on a protest against Israel's Gaza offensive went on a rampage in a Paris suburb

French prime minister Manuel Valls condemned the violence in Paris as ‘intolerable’ and warned that France faced ‘a new form of anti-Semitism’.

Roger Cukierman, of the Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France, said Jews were living in fear.

He said: ‘They are not shouting “Death to the Israelis” on the streets of Paris. They are screaming “Death to the Jews”.’

One long-time resident of Sarcelles, called Laetitia, told the France 24 TV channel: ‘We called our town Little Jerusalem because we felt at home here. We were safe, there were never any problems. And I just wasn’t expecting anything like this. We are very shocked.’

French President Francois Hollande met Jewish and Muslim leaders in the Elysee Palace on Monday and told them that fighting anti-Semitism will be a ‘national cause’.

France has around half a million Jews, the biggest population in Europe, and around five million Muslims.
buttflake
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 10:27 am
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InfraBlue
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 01:02 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The vast majority of Jews hail from ancestors that converted to Judaism. The idea of Jewish hereditariness is religious, it's not borne out by historical or biological facts.

DNA says otherwise.

Nuh-uhh.
JTT
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 01:22 pm
@BillRM,
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Jewish people are being attacked and abused on the streets of Germany as though the country were back in the Nazi era, political and religious leaders warned yesterday.

Escalating violence between IsraJewish people are being attacked and abused on the streets of Germany as though the country were back in the Nazi era, political and religious leaders warned yesterday.

Escalating violence between Israel and Hamas in Gaza has prompted a disturbing rise in anti-Semitism in Europe in the last few days.


That's how it is playing out but it's disingenuous to not note what it really is - anti-Israel for its sixty plus years of genocidal actions. They oughta spend some of the USA blood money on better propaganda. Look at all the gimmes the USA gets.
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hingehead
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 03:04 pm
@buttflake,
By this logic we should blow the crap out of Italian, Croatian, Austrian and Japanese civilians. And the Germans? Bejeezus they voted the nazis in (kind of).

You obviously have an emotional attachment to one side of this conflict which makes you dismiss the humanity of the other side. You'd fit in well over there.
buttflake
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 03:16 pm
@hingehead,
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You obviously have an emotional attachment


I'd rather you call it a moral attachment.
JTT
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 03:20 pm
@buttflake,
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I'd rather you call it a moral attachment.


That's nothing but a small piece of butt flake.
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Miller
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 04:03 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

If a person's beliefs are contrary to reality, that person is delusional and their beliefs are invalid.


In the US, 75% of citizens claim to be Christian. Since a fundamental belief of Christianity is the resurrection ( after death ) of the human being known as Jesus and since there is no proof at present, that a human being can ascend to a place called heaven, do you conclude that 75% of American citizens ( Christians) are delusional and their beliefs are invalid?

I don't.
JTT
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 04:08 pm
@Miller,
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I don't.


But then, you are delusional, Miller.
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vikorr
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 04:11 pm
@oralloy,
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No. Truth is a matter of reality. Perspective has nothing to do with it.
Drunk

You're better off posting that nonsense in the philosophy forum - there are so many holes in it that, for someone who truly believes such a delusion - it's a whole thread in itself.
Olivier5
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 05:24 pm
@buttflake,
The West Bank is not inside Israel border, or Pals would have the israeli nationality.
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buttflake
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 08:54 pm
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Leftist media using kid pictures from 2012 in Syria as propaganda for Gaza

Just how far will leftist media in America (and around the world) go to try and prop up Hamas as the ‘victims’ in Operation Protective Edge and try to make Israel look like cold blooded killers? Check out the following image being used by Hamas to propagandize the Hamas/Israel war. The picture used by Hamas is the same pictured used by the UK Telegraph of a child with a blood face from the Syrian civil war:

http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2014/07/24/leftist-media-using-kid-pictures-from-2012-in-syria-as-propaganda-for-gaza/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FireAndreaMitchell+%28Fire+Andrea+Mitchell!+Exposing+Liberal+bias+cause+the+MSM+doesn%27t+have+to.%29

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtVEG7rIEAATNnm.jpg


The liberal truth?
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hingehead
 
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Thu 24 Jul, 2014 09:03 pm
@buttflake,
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I'd rather you call it a moral attachment.


I'm sure you would.

What do you know about Zionism?
 

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