Israel's Shame

@cicerone imposter,

The statistics you are citing include the casualties in the Arab/Israeli wars.

You're not lying, you're just wrong.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The Palestinian Authority has tried peaceful negotiations and that hasn't changed the current land arrangement of the nation of Israel either.

Unfortunately the Palestinian version of peaceful negotiations involves trying to kill the children of the opposing negotiators.

The Palestinian Authority has done no such thing.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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The population that fled has rights granted by various international resolutions to return that the state of Israel has violated since its inception.

Sorry but their own actions of random terrorist murders over decades had foreclose their rights to be trusted enough to be a citizens of a state that they to this day had pledge to destroy.

Maybe you would be willing to live under the same roof as someone who had killed some of your women and your children by way of suicide bombs and afterward had have neighborhood block parties to celebrates those killings but most sane people would not.

I am sure however those nations that had sign such international resolutions would take them in<not>.

The one nation that did in fact not only welcome them but who did take a large number of them in needed to paid one hell of a price in blood and treasure for being that stupid.

You're castigating the entire Palestinan population for the actions of the militans among them. That's merely a rationalization to deny the Palestinians their rights.

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@BillRM,

I take your point, but my point is that Israel's critics want to make the imbalance a significant issue and proof of Israel's evil. The statistics show however, that in relative terms, this conflict doesn't come close to ranking among the most bloody in contemporary history (let alone of of history) nor is the imbalance in casualties extraordinary.

It is quite obvious that if the Hamas rocket attacks cease, so too will the Israeli counter-measures, but to Israel's critics, the rocket attacks are justified and the only leverage Hamas has to stop Israel's "oppression" of Palestinians. It's not enough, for them, for Israel to cease their counter-measures, they have to submit to the demands, which the rockets are intended to enforce.

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@InfraBlue,

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You're castigating the entire Palestinan population for the actions of the militans among them. That's merely a rationalization to deny the Palestinians their rights.

LOL so you are trying to claim that those who had done violence and mass murders in the name of the Palestinians people for decades in fact does not have the overwhelming support of the Palestinian population???!!!!!???

Come on everyone know that such a claim is nonsense.

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@cicerone imposter,

You are continuing to peddle the same canard about these poor oppressed people using hoes and scythes to battle the mechanized oppressors:

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What began with the use of short-range Qassams had developed, by 2006, into the firing of longer-range Katyusha, WS-1B and Grad rockets. In 2012 Jerusalem and Tel Aviv began to come under attack from M-75" and Iranian Fajr-5 rockets. In 2014 the Northern city of Haifa was targeted. Some of the rockets fired by Hamas have contained white phosphorus.

CI wrote:

this so-called 'superior Zionist' race

As hard as you try, your anti-Semitism keeps showing through. This conflict has never been about racial superiority. The analogy with South Africa is utter nonsense.

Statistics may not tell us all we need to know but they are helpful in revealing how distorted some claims may be. For instance, how many Palestinians have died because or "road blocks?"

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

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No, I'm talking about the takeover of property from the Palestinians.

Says CI, sitting at his desk in his house sitting on land stolen by the USA.

Stolen by Spain, not the U.S.

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@InfraBlue,

So?

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

In your analogy you're conflating nations with peoples. The people have rights to their houses that nations must honor.

No. Land is given to nations after a war, like after WWII, and people must leave. You might be subscribing to an ethnocentric concept of rights. If that was true, there would be no changing neighborhoods in urban areas. It's called a tipping point, where the prior demographic feel uncomfortable in a neighborhood that was once their "turf," and they leave. It's also called "white flight." But, that is the way of the world.

The Palestineans don't want urban renewal, since they lose face to live amongst Jews. Do you live amongst Jews?

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@Foofie,

Even under occupation after any war, the people of the country still has rights over their property. That's based on international laws.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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You're castigating the entire Palestinan population for the actions of the militans among them. That's merely a rationalization to deny the Palestinians their rights.

LOL so you are trying to claim that those who had done violence and mass murders in the name of the Palestinians people for decades in fact does not have the overwhelming support of the Palestinian population???!!!!!???

Come on everyone know that such a claim is nonsense.

You're making assumptions about what everyone knows. Regardless, the Paelstinians' rights still stand.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You should visit Auswitz-Birkenau; you might remember some history where the Jews were the victims, and now the Palestinians are the victims of the Jews.

Well, I understand your point; however, if Jews were not versed in ethics, or if they were just some Gentile demographic, they might just say that Gentiles owe them six million casualities. But, since Jews have outgrown an eye for an eye mentality, people can see Israel's attempt to make the best of being chased out of Europe after WWII as a fruituless effort (to live in peace), since Arabs have the same pride that Catholic Europeans had in not wanting to live near Jews. While Europeans are enlightened enough to not have the death penalty, they have the foolish notion that Jews in Israel do not have any residual attitude from WWII. If Muslims can feel that the Crusades were only a month ago, so to speak, then Jews can feel they left Israel (kicked out by the Romans) a week ago, and the Holocaust was yesterday.

Very short-sighted to think otherwise. But then again, liberals are inherently short-sighted, in my opinion.

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

So?

So regardless of these analogies, the Palestinians have the Right of Return.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

It doesn't change the fact that people have rights that nations must honor.

Are you talking about Communist China?

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

In your analogy you're conflating nations with peoples. The people have rights to their houses that nations must honor.

No. Land is given to nations after a war, like after WWII, and people must leave. You might be subscribing to an ethnocentric concept of rights. If that was true, there would be no changing neighborhoods in urban areas. It's called a tipping point, where the prior demographic feel uncomfortable in a neighborhood that was once their "turf," and they leave. It's also called "white flight." But, that is the way of the world.

The Palestineans don't want urban renewal, since they lose face to live amongst Jews. Do you live amongst Jews?

Try telling that to the Zionists.

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

It doesn't change the fact that people have rights that nations must honor.

Are you talking about Communist China?

Amongst others.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

You're castigating the entire Palestinan population for the actions of the militans among them. That's merely a rationalization to deny the Palestinians their rights.

The Palestineans that stayed in Israel in 1948 are Israeli citizens. By leaving, to clear a path for advancing Arab armies, they gave themselves the identity of siding with the invading Arab armies. Invading Arab armies are sort of militant?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

CI wrote:
this so-called 'superior Zionist' race

As hard as you try, your anti-Semitism keeps showing through. This conflict has never been about racial superiority. The analogy with South Africa is utter nonsense.

Statistics may not tell us all we need to know but they are helpful in revealing how distorted some claims may be. For instance, how many Palestinians have died because or "road blocks?"

If a Palestinean is delayed at a road block too long, they could conceivably get a fatal stroke. There could be a co-factor of an Israeli giving the Palestinian a look of smug racial superiority? I myself have looked at some under educated people with a look of smug superiority, based on my IQ. However, I have also cast my head down in deference when interacting with a superior WASP, with greater intelligence than I have. It might all be about knowing one's place in the world. Do Palestinians have a word for "humility"?

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@Foofie,

You wrote,

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The Palestineans that stayed in Israel in 1948 are Israeli citizens.

Yes, they are citizens without equal rights. Their lands are stolen almost every day, and they are restricted from moving freely in their own country - as citizens of an apartheid state.

What's your point about Palestinians being 'citizens?'

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cit·i·zen
ˈsitizən,-sən/
noun
a legally recognized subject or national of a state or commonwealth, either native or naturalized.
"a Polish citizen"
synonyms: national, subject, passport holder, native More

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Even under occupation after any war, the people of the country still has rights over their property. That's based on international laws.

Oh? So, all those small villages/towns in Poland that were once predominantly Jewish, with homes owned by Jews, are now re-Judaized? No, Polish Catholics live in the homes and villages, and if a Jew walks through the village/town, the resident Poles might give each other a knowing smirk, or pretend not to notice the Jewish visitor. You are living in a perfect world, in my opinion.

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