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Regarding Native American vs native American?

 
 
jayakap
 
Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 03:13 am
Is it correct to say the "native" in "native American" is sometimes capitalized, depending on the meaning and could someone explain why if this is a true statement?

For instance--

A native American is any person born in America.
A Native American is a person descended from the original indigenous population of the Americas.

I'm a native American, having been born in the United States.
My friend Frank is a Native American, being an enrolled member of the Cherokee Nation.
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 03:37 am
@jayakap,
A native American is anyone who has been born
in America, REGARDLESS of how anyone capitalizes words.
I am a native American because I was born in New York.

If I wish to refer to the Indians,
I simply say so, possibly mentioning which tribe
is involved, e.g. the Apaches or the Navaho.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 08:34 am
@jayakap,
You're correct in your analysis, Jayakap.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 09:02 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Then how do you refer to people who were born in India?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 09:04 am
@jayakap,
I don't get why anyone would call themselves a native American. What would be an example of a non-native American?
contrex
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 10:17 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
What would be an example of a non-native American?

A person who is a US citizen who was not born in the United States. Check out the etymology of 'native'.

roger
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 11:25 am
@jayakap,
jayakap wrote:

A native American is any person born in America.
A Native American is a person descended from the original indigenous population of the Americas.

I'm a native American, having been born in the United States.
My friend Frank is a Native American, being an enrolled member of the Cherokee Nation.


Your examples are correctly capitalized.

I bet you had no idea you were asking a political question.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 11:26 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Then how do you refer to people who were born in India?
" . . . the ones in India."
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 12:33 pm
@contrex,
The etymology of the word is not the same as its definition.

We have the idea of non-native species. The Asian carp that is causing concern in the great lakes is considered to be a non-native species (when in the US) because it didn't evolve naturally in the US ecosystem. All of the fish that are currently swimming around in the northern US were born in the US. They are still considered non-native.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 12:36 pm
@maxdancona,
You can't equate animals to humans. That is just trying to twist the logic. Word games.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 12:41 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
So just to make sure we agree on the definition David,

Barack Obama is a native American. But Ted Cruz and John McCain are not.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 12:43 pm
@Baldimo,
We are discussing the meaning of the word "native". This word is used to describe both humans and animals.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 12:45 pm
@maxdancona,
I don't see how native for animals and native for humans is the same. I see them as having 2 different meanings.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 12:49 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
So just to make sure we agree on the definition David,

Barack Obama is a native American. But Ted Cruz and John McCain are not.

I dunno where any of them were born.
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 12:51 pm
When I was in Canada (Vancouver) I'm sure that the Canadians referred to the Native Canadians as First Natives.
Has this gone by the by?

If not, why doesn't the USA adopt the same terminology, as I thought that was a brilliant description.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 01:11 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Ted Cruz was born in Canada. John McCain was born in Panama.

So by your definition Barack Obama is a native American, but McCain and Cruz are not, right?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 01:14 pm
@Lordyaswas,
Actually... I think the term you are looking for is "First Nations". If you use the term "Native Canadian", most Canadians will think you are referring to people who belong to the First Nations (i.e. the descendants of people living here before the Europeans took over).

I know this because there are Native Canadians (i.e. what David refers to as "Indians") in my family.
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 01:50 pm
@maxdancona,
Sorry, I must have misheard....it was a flying visit.

Still, First Nations sounds great. Something to be proud of.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 02:26 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Actually... I think the term you are looking for is "First Nations". If you use the term "Native Canadian", most Canadians will think you are referring to people who belong to the First Nations (i.e. the descendants of people living here before the Europeans took over).

I know this because there are Native Canadians
(i.e. what David refers to as "Indians") in my family.
In fairness, I cannot accept credit for that reference.
I believe that belongs to Christopher Columbus.
It was in universal use in America when I was born into it.
I came. I heard. I adopted.





David
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 02:32 pm
The word "Indians" was much better than "native Americans", because the word 'indian' comes from 'indigenous'.
Dictionary-
Indigenous: originating or occurring naturally (in a country, region, etc); native.

"For I am native here and to the manner born"- Hamlet
 

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