Why aren't feminists speaking out about this???

One thing you don't have to worry about in this forum is a negative reaction to racist sentiments

If anything, they're identified and criticized even when they don't exist.

Out of curiosity, in what threads have you seen racism being given "a pass?"

Frankly, I don't understand what your race has to do with this subject at all.

Is there a black perspective of feminism that is uniquely different from a white perspective?

Unfortunately I can imagine that being a black man in America can, in some way, inform many of your opinions concerning political and societal issues, but if there is a unique African-American perspective on the issues you've raised here, I would be interested in learning what it is. It certainly hasn't come out in anything you've written thus far.

Pfft my first month here discussing here in the Donald Sterling there BillRM made racist comments nobody said nothing. Romeo in this thread used the word "nigger" and none of you said anything. Silence is acceptance. Yet I call two white females a bitch (even though I warned them) all hell breaks loose.

I mention race because I notice when I call females bitches everyone has something to say, if you go in the Donald Sterling thread BillRM made several prejudiced comments about blacks and nobody said ****. Same with Hawkeye and Romeo. People pick and choose to notice things. This is what I call selective outrage.

Answered your own question.

Like I said. "I" don't have time/room or a desire for it. Side note, my Cousin married 3 times, 1st and 3rd to an 1/4 aboriginal, I only know the last husband and her 5 kids, 2 white, 3 black and all of them are beautiful inside and out. They grew up in Alice Springs. I had a great time at her 50th a couple of years ago, apparently a cousin is called "Aunty".. Guess I have around 22 nieces and nephews .

First of the notion that silence is acceptance is ridiculous. I, for one, don't feel compelled to condemn each and every stupid comment made in this forum. If I did, I wouldn't have time for anything else.

Charges of racism are flung around in here and in the "outside world" all too easily and frequently. What's the point of condemning each post of the few blatant racists here? My practice is to do it once and then ignore them. I'm really sick of the phrase "feeding the troll," but in this case it's applicable. Some of them are looking for a reaction, and are only encouraged by condemnation. And I don't feel it's necessary to register a condemnation of such crap just because a new guy might be black and might get the wrong impression of me if I don't. If he (or you) can't figure out whether or not I'm a racist based on what I write, I'm not going to worry about sending a signal of some sort.

The 'ignore feature" is used differently by different people. After your bitch frenzy I suspect you'll be put on "ignore" by a few people, and so it may seem odd in another thread when you direct a comment to someone and get no reply. They'll probably be "ignoring" you which means they can't even see your comments.I bet a lot of people didn't see Romeo's use of "nigger," because they have him on Ignore. I don't recall seeing it, but if I had, I still wouldn't have responded to it.That's what he wants, and you can only tell a jackass he or she is a jackass so many times.

I'm not trying to defend anyone, they can do that themselves if they feel it's necessary, but you should realize how this forum operates if you're going to stick around, and making assumption on limited information is never a good idea.

How do you know firefly or glitterbag are white and what difference does it make if they are? Do you think that you couldn't have gotten the same reaction to what you wrote if all the women posters were black? Do you think you wouldn't have gotten a similar reaction if you called obviously black female posters bitches? This isn't meant as any sort of challenge, I'm just curious as to why you felt it was important to identify them as "white."

Finally, all hell didn't break out. You gave **** to two women and they gave it back. I don't know what the warning was all about or how it makes any difference. If I warn you I'm about to call you a slur related to your race, does that make it OK when I do? In any case you deal with glitterbag and firefly however you want. If they don't like the reaction they get they shouldn't pick a fight, but it's a little funny to see you acting wounded.

People also pick and choose who to ignore. The three posters you mention are invisible to a number of A2K posters. You are apparently still visible.

not when you're on a forum where people use the ignore function

I was thinking the same thing, but didn't come to your sensitive, humane conclusion.

Many of the comments we've read from him here are chillingly reminiscent of what Rodgers said. I don't know how far the leap is from the rhetoric and basic thought pattern to killing....or raping....beating....punching a woman. However, the jump to a profane, generalized verbal attack online, obviously not too far...

Anyway. All women have tripped up on this human waste once or twice, these losers, these pieces of **** who like to threaten and demean in the shadows, thinking they can blackmail us into some sick sex, some perverted relationship. They blame us for their short dicks, bad breath, stupid personalities, the problem they have that everyone but them can see - and try to take it out on us.

Rodgers was in therapy. I don't know why it didn't work. I didn't think anyone was beyond help. I guess it's just up to us to stand up to it whenever we can - and stick up for each other.

Twisted limp dick motherfuckers.

By many fewer than before.

That's sig line material, if only there were room for the context.

Every once in a while, I like to trot out that English degree.

Can't help myself Lash, it's in my nature..



By quoting this, I almost feel like I spoke those words, which I would never do, nup, not me

In my opinion what you rebellious women need is a darn good paddling.

I'm fascinated that one of the dumb shits thinks he can WARN women, then if we don't shut up, he will release a barrage of filth? Sweet Jesus, what an asshole.

The cherry on the sundae is that a few of these idiots are delusional enough to think can define "feminism" for women. And this all started because some sorry ass cry baby has a hair up his butt, over Meeks, a felon, claiming Meeks gets attention from girls, then wah wah wah, he can't get a good job. Then demands feminists do something to assuage his wounded ego. Grow up little boy.

I don't know why anyone assumes all the members are required to read everthing everybody posts???? What world are this little boys living in. I have a ton of rascists and foul mouthed asshats on ignore. It's pathetic that these foul mouthed dopes assume they can possibly interest anyone in their itty bitty problems, then trot out that shithead Sterling and get offended because they don't think people were outraged enough. I have that group of creeps, including Romeo, BillRM (that sterling example of manhood who defines watching kiddy porn as research) , as well as several others because they are disgusting on ignore. When they open their mouths they demean themselves, I'm not a voyeur, I'm fine with not watching you have meltdowns or tantrums over silly ****. If the little boys think it's the thing to do, fine, just don't expect other to be fascinated with your behaviour when you behave like pigs.

Pigs. You said pigs.

I'm an equal equality insulter. But I didn't call him a bitch, oh crap, I'm pretty sure I did. So, roger, was pigs an insult to our porcine buddies? My apologies to actual pigs, I really shouldn't have compared anyone to that noble beast. There is a much lower standard of behaviour that the offenders are willing to stoop to. I feel badly because pigs don't wallow in filth if they are offered better choices.

Oh, goodie. I didn't know if I could get you all defensive over that or not.

Crap roger, I didn't think I was being defensive, your comments strike me funny. Sorry if I (oh **** I'm getting defensive, damn you roger, you clever boots)

I've read and re-read this thread and the comments of Buttermilk ("B") and I'm having a hard time figuring out what your comment "Dude, you sound like a misogynist," was based upon.

Keep in mind your comment pre-dated B's drunken bitch frenzy.

His wasn't, initially, the most coherent argument ever made but he made a couple of reasonable points:

1) If someone (whether a feminist of not) makes a big deal out of sexually objectifying women, but doesn't see anything objectionable to the FB comments being made about Meeks, it's hard to argue that they don't have a double standard based on gender. And it's not about whether the person being objectified minds. I'm sure a lot of the Playboy Playmates have gotten a kick out of the fact that millions of men are aroused by their nude photos. This didn't matter though to those feminists who found Playboy and the photos to be objectionably sexist. If a human being is somehow degraded by being reduced to an object of sexual desire, then any harm caused by that degradation, whether to the person or society, isn't dependent upon the gender of the "object."

That no feminists, apparently have commented on Meeks (at least none B is aware of), that not all feminists have made sexual objectivism complaints, or that feminists are duty bound to search out and comment on any issue involving women are all valid points to make and that have been made, but there is nothing misogynistic in his point.

2) Hybristophilia is considered by most mental health experts to be a psychological disorder. I'm sure there are a few experts who disagree, but in a society where the borders of taste and decency are being ever expanded, even a casual google search can find articles on "destigmatizing pedophilia or how artificial moral restraints alone are responsible for pedophilia being considered a perversion. Hell, Richard Dawkins, in an interview with the Times magazine defended what he called "mild-pedophilia."

I'm also sure that a lot of the women commenting upon Meeks on FB are not actually hybristophiliacs, and were just having some "fun" with what (if they were men) would be considered crude, boorish behavior. I'm reminded of the little kids would sit in the dark theater for the Sat afternoon matinee and every now and then yell out "dirty words." But whether caught up in a fetish for violent criminals or not some of the things B reported them as say were disturbing in the degree to which violence was incorporated.

The old college e-mail of Snapchat's CEO, Evan Spiegel caused a small firestorm recently. Spiegel was blasted as a sexist for piggish e-mail he wrote (presumably while drunk) while at college. I've no idea whether or not the guy is a sexist or if he's changed since those frat-house days, but based on what he wrote, he was a disgusting pig back then, and I've zero sympathy for any fallout he's receiving for something he wrote years ago. I feel the same about some of the FB comments made in regards to Meeks.

I'm sure you know Ted Bundy received hundreds of "fan letters" from women while he was in prison awaiting trial on numerous charges of murder. The guy was a serial killer who preyed on women! A sexual attraction for someone like this isn't just a different stroke for different folks, its sick, and perhaps feminists have no responsibility for trying to guide disturbed women from a bent path, but B's suggesting they do is hardly reflective of misogyny. Naiviety perhaps, but not misogyny.

There are several theories on the causes or underlying pyschological motivation for hybristophilia, but one is a desire to submit to an Alpha Male who, by his violent criminality, represents some strange archetype of masculine dominance. If that isn't a target ripe for a lot of feminists, I don't know what is. If they couldn't be bothered to counsel the willing rape victims of Meeks on FB, I would have thought they would have at least scolded them.

After B's initial post, there’s some back and forth between B and Butrflynet, firefly and glitterbag that I, frankly, found boring but which contain very little heat and no misogyny. All three women didn’t think much of B’s argument and told him so (although only Butryflynet and firefly) actually provided counter-arguments. While not a big deal and hardly hit-posts firefly and glitterbag did, in true A2K fashion, throw down gauntlets:





I posted these quotes because after reading them, and based on your comment, I expected to see one in which B flew off the handle...something to justify your contention that the dude sounded like a misogynist, and there wasn't any.

If fact, if the other ladies’ mild retorts were thrown gauntlets, yours was a slap in B’s face. Interestingly, in the weird world of A2K thumbing, you got three thumbs up for the slap and B got three thumbs down for a response of remarkable restraint:



I most often enjoy reading what you have to say on any issue and find I more often agree with you than disagree, which is the only reason I’ve written this post. I just really can’t see the misogyny in what B wrote before your comment, and anything he wrote afterwards can’t be used as support for it, unless you claim to be a precog. What am I missing because it seems to me, at least, that Buttermilk struck a nerve that may have been too raw, and revealed misogyny where not was evident.