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Why aren't feminists speaking out about this???

 
 
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jul, 2014 06:20 pm
@glitterbag,
Sorry glitter you're still a stupid bitch. I'd probably say it to your face too! I say probably depending on my mood.
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jul, 2014 06:25 pm
@roger,
And referring to someone by their last name is a sign of respect Mister Roger!
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Buttermilk
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jul, 2014 06:26 pm
@glitterbag,
LOL where is Justin Timberlake?
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jul, 2014 07:33 pm
@Buttermilk,
Hopefully someone will open yours with a hammer.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jul, 2014 07:34 pm
@Lash,
I got WAY too much enjoyment from that.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jul, 2014 07:47 pm
@Buttermilk,
Buttermilk wrote:

Sorry glitter you're still a stupid bitch. I'd probably say it to your face too! I say probably depending on my mood.


Don't apologize, I already know how sorry you are.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jul, 2014 08:19 pm
Quote:
Both sides of the law: 'Hot cop of Castro' follows mugshot guy as cyber-sensation
By Mayra Cuevas, CNN
July 10, 2014

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(CNN) -- If a blue-eyed, chisel-cheeked mugshot can make an Internet sensation of a criminal suspect, can the law be far behind?

In this case, it's a lawman -- specifically, a San Francisco street cop whose in-uniform images are making him a cyber-celebrity with a badge.

San Francisco Police Officer Chris Kohrs -- the "Hot Cop of Castro" to his fans and friends -- became a viral sensation after a stranger created a Facebook page in his honor, nicknaming him after Castro Street, where Kohrs was posted at the time. The Facebook page has received close to 19,000 likes in about three weeks.

"I was out there one day doing traffic control and some guys asked if they could have photos of me and I consented. It kind of went viral from there," the 36-year-old Kohrs said in a phone interview with CNN.

Kohrs' Facebook page creator Nathan Tatterson told CNN it all started with his friend's photo of Kohrs sitting on his motorcycle.

"Other people in the neighborhood starting recognizing the 'Hot Cop of Castro' and started taking and posting their own photos," said Tatterson. "Once people started recognizing Officer Kohrs, they started chatting with him and realized that he wasn't just a pretty face. He was funny, nice, respectful, with a huge dose of charm and humility. He also clearly loved his job."

User comments ranged from praise ("One of San Francisco's Police Finest!") to a touch risqué ("Crime has increased in the Castro with men of all stripes begging to be arrested and punished on the spot.").

Kohrs, who has been on the police force for six years, said it was "all a shock" to him.

"I've never met the person that created the Facebook page. I'm not even on Facebook," he said laughing.

His new-found fame follows on the trail of convicted felon Jeremy Meeks, whose mugshot stirred a collective swoon nationwide after authorities in Stockton, California, posted it on social media in June.

In his case, Kohrs sees an unintended, broader benefit of the online publicity for one cop on the street. "It has strengthened the bond between the community and the police," he says.

Kohrs laughs at the suggestion of becoming a model or an actor -- he is dedicated to his job of service as an officer, including responding to 911 calls, and he takes the work seriously.

"We are called upon to respond to some pretty bad situations and although we can't reverse what has been done, we can make a bad situation better. We can make the city a better place to live, and I think police officers have a big impact on the health and safety of the community," he said.

"I'm real happy here. If it's going to be this good I'm going to stay," he said.

His Facebook fan base includes both women and men equally, with the most-repeated questions being whether he is straight or gay, single or married.

Straight, single, no kids, he said.

And for the record: Kohrs enjoys dining out, watching movies, snowboarding, riding motorcycles, traveling and water skiing.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/10/us/hot-cop-internet-sensation/


Here's the link to his Facebook appreciation page--its now got 35,601 likes.
https://www.facebook.com/hotcopofcastro
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jul, 2014 10:38 pm
@firefly,
He is good-looking.

http://localtvkfor.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/s035249793.jpg?w=640
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2014 12:04 am
@firefly,
Armistead Maupin "approached" this dude in the Castro - and all his buddies are trying to make this cop. It's so cute. Not sure which way he swings, but a pretty focused contingent from the gay committee is quite interested.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2014 12:17 am
@Lash,
He says he's straight. But his appeal obviously crosses gender lines.
NSFW (view)
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2014 02:37 am
@glitterbag,
Your tears are delicious, please continue to cry more.
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Buttermilk
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2014 02:39 am
You know, apparently the ladies who are entertaining me do not understand that when you try to engage in immaturity while trying to lecture me about my age and maturity you are doing exactly the same thing you're whining against. This makes no sense. Why talk about maturity when you're doing the exact same thing? This is humor for me.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2014 10:13 pm
@glitterbag,
I'd suggest we "bitches" ignore Buttermilk/nononono, and just discuss the issues among ourselves.

You know, glitter, the entire premise of this thread is faulty--starting with the title. Why is Buttermilk even assuming feminists should be speaking out about people posting on the internet about someone's mug shot?

Have feminists, as a group, ever made a significant issue of any individual finding another individual attractive, regardless of the genders involved? And the people posting on Facebook were all individuals, some of whom might have been gay, and they were doing nothing more than commenting, mainly positively, on another individual's photo, attention that was well received by the person in the photo. Why are we--or feminists--expected to see this as harmful? Don't we all notice people we think are attractive--whether of the same or opposite gender? Is there harm in making a social media post about it?

Buttermilk seems to have confused issues about societal sexual objectification of women, as a group, which have been of concern to some feminists, with the fact that individuals simply find some other individuals attractive or sexy, the usual laws of attraction, which is a normal part of the make-up of human beings, that is as true for feminists as for everyone else--it's basic human nature, and not even a gender issue. Admiring an individual man for being good-looking, and admiring an individual woman for being good-looking, and stating this in a social media post, is not in any way indicative of something that should provoke serious social commentary from any serious feminists, who likely also find some people attractive too.

Buttermilk seems intent on trying to prove feminists are hypocrites, by faulting them for not speaking out about the mug-shot phenomenon, but he doesn't cite any mainstream feminist writings to support his contention they are even concerned or interested about this sort of essentially harmless social media behavior--comments about an individual's good looks or sexiness by other individuals--to justify why he thinks they should be speaking out. Have they bothered to speak out when men post comments about female mug shots they find attractive or sexy? I really don't think so. That's not the sort of sexual objectification that troubles most feminists who have spoken out on the matter of objectification.

Furthermore, he seems to view feminists sort of like school hall monitors, or mothers, who should be scolding and chastising women, as though they were naughty children, for daring to say they found a particular man good-looking or hot. That whole idea is about as far as you can get from an accurate view of feminism. Feminists have encouraged women to embrace their sexuality, not suppress it, and to freely express themselves, rather than to rely on others to tell them what to think.

Buttermilk just doesn't have a good understanding of feminism, despite the lone women's studies course he took. And his views of all feminists, are extremely overly-generalized and highly negative, because they based on the views of a handful of feminists he dislikes, out of the 100's of thousands of feminists out there (and likely much more than that), which is why his stereotyping is so inaccurate and off the mark, as stereotyping of large diverse groups most often is,

And then there is the issue of why anyone here should be expected to answer for feminists--since we have no particular contingent of self-identified feminists at A2K that I'm aware of--so how does he expect the question to be answered in this thread?

And there is nothing morally sinister about the fact that anyone finds some person's mug shot attractive. Men make comments about attractive female mug shots, and women do the same with male mug shots. It's not condoning criminality--some who are arrested are good-looking, and it's not shallow if people comment about that, it's certainly no less shallow than much of what passes for amusement on the internet, or for commentary on the social media.

As for the issue of why some people actually choose to get involved with incarcerated inmates, particularly those convicted of serious violent crimes, well I suppose some do it because those relationships are "safe"--any sort of contact with such inmates is extremely limited--there really isn't danger posed by having a relationship with these dangerous men, they are locked up. O.J. continued to have girlfriends, until he was finally convicted of something and finally locked up, and I'd wonder why a woman would want to be involved with a man who abused and killed his ex-wife, and who is outside of a jail, more than I'd wonder about a woman who gets involved with one who's safely on the inside of one. But I'm really not concerned with either kind of woman--people are free to get involved with whoever they want, it's their life not mine.

And it may truly be possible to find real love with someone on death row. Damien Eccols and Lorri Davis say that was the case for them. Theirs is an interesting story.
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How I met a death row inmate and fell in love
By Sara Stewart
June 9, 2014

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Lorri Davis and Damien Echols — now married for 14½ years — enjoy the wide-open space of Morningside Park last week. Photo: Rene Cervantes

“Yours for Eternity: A Love Story on Death Row,” out June 17, is a collection of letters between now-married couple Lorri Davis, 50, and Damien Echols, 40, who met and fell in love while she was an architect at a Manhattan firm and he was in prison for murder in Arkansas. After 18 years on death row, Echols was released in 2011, largely due to newly admitted DNA evidence. Davis, who resides in NYC with her husband, tells The Post’s Sara Stewart her side of their story.

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/deathrow1.jpg?w=205&h=344&crop=1
Damien Echols (in a 1993 mug shot), one of the West Memphis Three, spent 18 years on death row.

In the winter of 1996, I was a single woman living in New York, with a great career and a rented apartment in Park Slope that I loved. I was a landscape architect at an architectural firm, doing these amazing projects in the Hamptons and Connecticut. I was making a good salary and really loving my work. One day in February, a friend invited me to see the New York premiere of this documentary, “Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills.” It was in the MoMA New Directors/New Films program, and I saw Damien’s long-haired mug shot in the ad. I thought he was a girl. I was like, “I don’t want to go see some movie about this girl who murdered all these kids.”

Damien Echols spent more than 18 years on death row for a crime he didn’t commit. Known as one of the West Memphis Three, he was convicted in 1994, along with two other misfit teenagers labeled “Satanists” for their interest in heavy metal music and black clothing, for the murder of three 8-year-old boys in West Memphis, Ark. The documentary focused on the badly handled case, the lack of physical evidence and the nature of a small Southern town’s rush to judgment.

In the theater when I saw Damien for the first time, I felt a kinship right away. Having grown up in a similar culture in West Virginia, I knew something horrible had gone wrong here on every level: the community, the case, the convictions. I thought, “There’s no way he could have committed this crime.”

I kept thinking about him after the screening. A week later, I decided to write him.

I tried to be very polite, and I just said I had seen the film and that it made a big impression on me. I asked if he needed anything.

I kept thinking, Maybe he won’t write back.

About a week later, while my parents were visiting, I saw the letter. We were heading out, and there it was in my mailbox. I stuffed it in my bag and I carried it around all day. That night, I ripped it open; I was so surprised at the tone of his response. It was so gracious. “From the very beginning of this situation, I’ve felt that there had to be a purpose for all of this,” he told me. That was the line that really moved me. He didn’t write like a guy who’s on death row but like a Southern gentleman.

We wrote many letters for several months before the word “love” was ever written. I think it was Damien who wrote it first, but we both reached that point at the same time. We just glided into love.

My work started to suffer, because my mind was somewhere else. I was writing letters all day. I’m very private, so I didn’t really talk about it very much to anyone. I told one close friend, “Do you remember that documentary? Well, I’ve contacted the young man in it.”

Damien and I talked on the phone for the first time about four months after we began writing. He called me out of the blue. I had heard him speak in the movie, but I was still shocked to hear his actual voice for the first time. We talked every day after that.

Eventually I felt like I was living a double life. I didn’t tell my family for a long time. I told only a few close friends. Nobody tried to talk me out of it; people who know me know I’m pretty strong-willed and I know my own mind.

I never felt for anyone what I feel for Damien. I’d had relationships before, but this was different.

Seven months after we started writing, I flew to Little Rock, Ark., for our first visit. I was led into a room with a glass partition when I saw him. It was very upsetting. He had lost so much weight since the documentary was filmed — he’s 5 foot 11 inches, and he only weighed 116 pounds then. His hair was really long, and he had long fingernails. I mean, he’s a gorgeous man, but you could tell that he was suffering greatly.

At the bottom of the partition was a metal grill with holes — that’s how we heard one another. My first words to him in person were, “Are you OK?”

You can’t touch in there, but we got out of our chairs and sat on the counter next to the glass to be a little closer. At first we just looked at each other. By the time I left, we were both really sad.

A year-and-a-half after we started writing, I decided to quit my job and move down to Little Rock. I didn’t tell my employer why I was leaving, and they were really shocked. But I wasn’t conflicted about leaving.

I rented an old Victorian, and I got a job with the Parks Department. My pay was a quarter of what I had been making in NYC. But I would visit him every Friday afternoon, from 1 to 4. And we could watch the same TV shows at the same time, such as “Buffy the Vampire Slayer.”

I would go through phases of jealousy about other people getting to visit him. Someone would come to spend the same kind of time at the prison that I spent with him — a friend or a journalist. It took me a long time to be OK with that, because we were so insular. He got a lot of mail, too. There was a whole bag of letters he got from strippers, who sent pictures. But that didn’t bother me as much.

A movie sparked our relationship and a movie — Henry Jaglom’s “Déjà Vu” — cemented it. The film was very romantic. I thought, That’s it. It’s time we get married. I had been in Little Rock for two years.

We had been talking about it before, and when he called that night the first thing I said was, “Damien, let’s do it! Let’s get married!”

My parents came to visit me shortly before the wedding and that’s when I told them about Damien and our engagement. They didn’t even know why I had moved down there. Nobody burst into tears or anything, but they were definitely concerned. It took them about a year to get comfortable with the news. Then they came to meet Damien — we all went to the prison together. Damien knew they were very nervous too, and scared. So he just tried to calm them down. He was a real gentleman.

Our wedding, on Dec. 3, 1999, was the first time he and I ever touched each other. It was great! It was shocking! Damien was shaking and sweating. He hadn’t been around that many people in six years. He hadn’t been touched by anybody in that time, other than being beaten in prison.

Even though I had to go home alone, I was just so happy and hopeful.

Now that we were married, it was easier for me to have access to his lawyers. I began raising funds and managing communications for his case. DNA evidence began to play a larger role, and it was a roller coaster for the 12 years that followed, with appeal after appeal. Then, in August 2011, it happened: Damien and the other two accused, Jessie [Misskelley Jr.] and Jason [Baldwin], were released under an unusual “Alford plea,” which allowed them to maintain their innocence while allowing the state to maintain there was enough evidence to initially convict.

A huge mob of supporters had gathered outside the courtroom, but Damien’s attorney got me permission to come into the room to be with him before the statements were read. Right afterward, we couldn’t even be alone — we had to do a press conference.

I remember us being driven away from the prison in this big black Mercedes van. Looking over and seeing him beside me — the disbelief of it! Being together, being able to hug, kiss or sleep together, is something most people may take for granted. We’re still blown away by the fact that we have that in our lives.

It’s been three years since his release. For a while, I was really surprised about how hard it was for him to be in the real world; even doing seemingly innocuous things like going to the bank were huge obstacles. Once I really understood the long-lasting trauma that happens when you’re locked up for nearly 20 years, it got better.

These days, we work together doing a few different things: We write, we do speaking engagements on the case and prisoners’ rights advocacy. When our documentary about the case, “West of Memphis,” came out in 2012, two of the victims’ families came out to support us, and did talks with us after screenings of the film. We are still involved in the ongoing effort to find the real killer or killers in the West Memphis case.

We just signed the lease on an apartment in Harlem. I feel like we’re finally going to be in a space that’s going to be a real home. It certainly hasn’t been easy for us — but it has always been easy being with Damien.

Damien’s love story

“She was not of my world. I come from this horrible place of poverty and degradation. Hearing about a person who went to college was [like] walking on the moon. New York doesn’t exist — it’s just something you see on TV. So Lorri was totally outside my frame of reference. I wrote back right after I got her letter.

“Seeing her for the first time was just a continuation of the process of falling in love. But it was hard. I could see the distress. There’s nothing you can do.

“I used to think, ‘One day, she’s going to leave. And these letters will be all I have.’ That’s why I had to keep them safe. I was convinced there would be a day when those letters would be all I had to remember her by.

“Things have been hard since I’ve been out, and I know they haven’t been easy for Lorri, either. I just want to spoil her now, because I couldn’t for so many years.”
http://nypost.com/2014/06/09/how-i-met-a-death-row-inmate-and-fell-in-love/
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2014 04:21 pm
@Buttermilk,
I feel like Elliot Rodger somehow survived the gun shot to his head and he's here talking the same trash, talking down to women and whining about his past.

My condolences on the death of your parents, both dying of Cancer, you were 19, must have been extremely tough on you and still is as when you drink, you're heart hurts more.

You are Elliot Rodgers, just probably in a different colour, different age yet strangely I wouldn't ask you to kill yourself, rather get help.

I'm disgusted in you, with you and I know your parents would turn in their grave at your outbursts at the women on this Forum.

Shame on you Buttermilk. Go get some help
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2014 04:41 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Shame on you to have ridiculous assumptions. Difference between me and Elliot is I get girls, I respect people, I don't want or need to take innocent life and frankly if you need to make assumptions about my life without truly knowing me, you're foolish.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2014 05:14 pm
@Buttermilk,
Good to hear you respect them bitches.
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Buttermilk
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 02:49 am
Again, how can any of you who,are attempting to mock my usage of the word "bitch" (which is mighty "white" of you, as in the way you're attempting to mock me) talk about my character when you're engaging in the same juevenile deliquent behavior you're trying to associate me with? Again, all this attack me is comical. I have you Anglo-Americans are this proactive when the local racist trolls come around.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 02:55 am
@Buttermilk,
I was bought up with Italians, I'm an Aussie, racism really isn't a clever reality is it?

People are people, sounds as if you had a hard time as well, with your "colour" yet guess what, no one here does.
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:03 am
@FOUND SOUL,
Lol what would white people know about racism in America? Obviously as a new member here I've seen you guys give racist trolls a pass at the vitriol they express here Besides Australians have no room to talk look how they ******* treat the aboriginals--THE REAL AUSTRALIANS.
 

 
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