For the dems, who is there besides Hillary?

Blacks failure to produce is always the fault of Racism, this we know. Just look at the Haitians, who go back hundreds of years to find racism grievances to justify their current poor quality of work.

It redounds to O's credit that he served as a community organizer.

Oh no, not the racism canard.

No, what is at play is " OK, we have seen the system chew up and spit out the high minded community organizer, so it must take a thug to get anything done". Thing is Obama is not a failure because he is too high minded and nice, he is a failure because he is a dick with poor judgment. we took away the wrong lesson.

Right...and you guys all knew that before he was even elected!

Oh...you did forget to mention one thing you did know. His skin is not as white as the usual Republican voter's skin is.

I didn’t intend on going into any great detail on this but you me to again read what you wrote and reconsider my comment.

Here's what Hawkeye wrote:

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No, what is at play is " OK, we have seen the system chew up and spit out the high minded community organizer, so it must take a thug to get anything done". Thing is Obama is not a failure because he is too high minded and nice, he is a failure because he is a dick with poor judgment. we took away the wrong lesson.

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Right...and you guys all knew that before he was even elected!

Oh...you did forget to mention one thing you did know. His skin is not as white as the usual Republican voter's skin is.

I don't know how I could come to any conclusion other than you are questioning that those who are now opposed to Obama ("you guys") couldn't have done so before he was elected; based on a belief that he was a "dick with poor judgment", because no one could have known he was "a dick with poor judgment." before he was elected.

Putting aside the question of what a "dick" is and how it can be determined if anyone is or was a "dick," I seem to recall that Obama had some years of public service (albeit very few) in which his judgment about issues facing his state of Illinois and the nation were on public display or available through modest efforts at research. He also made quite a few promises and pronouncements about what he would do if elected while he was campaigning for the office. Presumably these were based on his judgments.

The second sentence of your comment reminds Hawkeye that there was one thing Obama's opponents could have known about him prior to his election, and that is that he was black.

This clearly implies that opposition to Obama before he was elected, was based on the color of his skin, not his judgment. I don't know how you can argue that it does not.

I suppose you could argue that you were not implying that all opposition was based on skin color, but then we would have to know what you meant by "you guys." Being aware of how you tend to broadly generalize in your disdain for Republicans and conservatives, I don't think it is much of a stretch to conclude you were employing the racism canard and charging that at least much of the pre-election opposition to Obama was due to his skin color and not his judgment.

If this is what you believe that's fine, but you shouldn't try and deny it, and if it isn't what you believe then you should take more care with what you write, because it is what you said.

There's a more interesting side note to your comment though. If no one could know that Obama had poor judgment before he was elected, that would have to mean that there was only evidence of good judgment or no evidence of the quality of his judgment. I reject either possibility but if the second of them are true, we elected a man without any idea of the quality of his judgment. If you like the guy, I guess you can say we were lucky, but even then you would have to admit that he was elected the basis of some perceived promise of good judgment. What could possibly be the source of that perception?

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It redounds to O's credit that he served as a community organizer.

Obviously some of us don't hold the position in such high regard.

That some racists think Obama is a dick with poor judgment, doesn't mean he isn't one and that it's impossible to reach that conclusion without being a racist.

That was refreshing.

You're still using the racism canard, but at least you're not trying to deny it. And I assume that your comment about being careful about what you write means you stand by it. So the next question is who are "you guys."

I'm sure that there are people who think Obama is a dick with poor judgment, who also don't like the fact that a black man is the president. I am certain, though, that they are in the minority of those who oppose him, but apparently you don't. Of course you have no proof of your insulting belief but don't let that stop you, it's such a cheap and easy tool to use in an argument it must be irresistible.

Cute too how you describe anti-Obama sentiment as "intense hatred," but your anti-Bush sentiment as "intense dislike."

Frankly, I don't recall your anti-Bush sentiment but if it was anything like your anti-Republican sentiment I would say it rose (or lowered) to hatred. I can tell you that I might have thought it was nutty, but I wouldn't have thought it proved you were a pedophile, a traitor, or anything else that could be comparable to being a racist. I honestly would not have questioned your motives. You hate Republican, why wouldn't you hate Bush?

Because some pedophiles, traitors, and other criminals might have hated Bush certainly didn't mean that you were one, and I can't see me suggesting you were without a lot more evidence than the fact that you seemed to hate him.

That some racists think Obama is a dick with poor judgment, doesn't mean he isn't one and that it's impossible to reach that conclusion without being a racist.

It's such a cheap way to argue. If you want to use it, that's up to you, but as far as I'm concerned it doesn't speak well of you. I don't expect you to feel chastened by this; I'm hardly the personification of propriety, but I think it is almost always bullshit, and I'm going to call bullshit when I see it.

Obama is not a real blackie, he's sort of half white,

Speaking of being half-white, half-black like Obama, this Star Trek episode featured the same sort of bizarre phenomenon-

Yeah I don't know why some mush-for-brains whites feel guilty!