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Seattle Approves $15/Hour Min Wage

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 12:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
Labor will simply price themselves out of existence in this case. That people do not know automation is the solution they just did not listen. Liberal Bill Gates warned them.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 12:49 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Labor will simply price themselves out of existence in this case. That people do not know automation is the solution they just did not listen. Liberal Bill Gates warned them.


Retail and restaurants are not going to move to china, but maybe they close, or become more efficient with labor. What Seattle needs to be concerned with, and I have noticed zero chatter about this, is what happens Seattle retail rental rates and thus commercial real estate property values at $15 min wage? Retail space in America is already shrinking( which looks to be picking up speed with the pending collapse of JCP, Sears and K-Mart) , and while restaurant space is expanding the profitability of restaurants is collapsing so this is not sustainable. $15 Min Wage feeds into some existing not so nice trend lines.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 02:18 pm
Conservatives don't consider the benefits of an increase in the min wage. For instance, it will certainly improve employee retention. This is important because it costs a business about 20 percent of an employees salary to bring in a replacement. Also, the retained employee will work harder and more efficiently, which is worth a lot to the employer. Further, the economy will be spurred, which will increase job growht and result in less unemployment.

Further, the necessary increases in prices of products are exagerated. Most of these business sell at a high volume, so the prices will increases probably between one and two percent.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 02:21 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:
Conservatives don't consider the benefits of an increase in the min wage. For instance, it will certainly improve employee retention.


Says who? young people take most of the min wage jobs, and todays young people care less about money then any generation in memory. Increased pay does not keep them interested, there are many studies on this, for them it is about the work environment in total, the work/life balance, and progression possibilities.
Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 02:24 pm
@hawkeye10,
But most of the min wage recipients are not "young people." Moreover, I have not seen studies that back up your statement.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 02:36 pm
@Advocate,
http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2013/images/ted_20130325a.png

Quote:
Moreover, I have not seen studies that back up your statement.
AKA " I have never looked for answers to this question, please do my work for me".
Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 10:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
Thanks! Your chart backs up my statement.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 10:28 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Thanks! Your chart backs up my statement.


27 is the new 18...no it does not.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2014 07:53 pm
America is globally shamed by its pathetic minimum wage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/16/imf-minimum-wage_n_5499420.html?ir=Business
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2014 09:11 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:

America is globally shamed by its pathetic minimum wage.


And by its foreign policy.
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Germlat
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2014 09:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
Wow!! That's a lot of money. There are college graduates that don't earn that much!!
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2014 11:40 pm
@Advocate,
I don't feel shamed. When you have young adults flipping burgers and selling clothes in the mall, $15/hr is a joke. Immigration reform? Giving jobs to immigrants is going to help US works how? They already can't fill jobs in the construction field. Force these "young adults" to work different types of jobs. There are only so many movie theaters, burger and chicken joints and Old Navy's out there. If they work these other jobs we won't need to do immigration reform for the sake of the economy. We already have enough people in this country not working why give them more competition for the same jobs?
Germlat
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2014 05:17 am
@Baldimo,
The thing is people feel terribly entitled to have a great life without getting earning an education or skill. It reminds me of spoiled adult children who think they're entitled to their parent's income. As far as the immigrant workers: the do the jobs lazy people think they simply too good to do. Where I live people bitched and moaned about immigrants taking jobs...now the agriculture business has suffered since they can no longer hire immigrants and citizens would rather flip burgers(even if it means less money).
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2014 07:07 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Let the restaurant owner make up for the hiked wages in hiked prices. If the food and service are good, I'll continue to come. It would probably mean a number of restaurants would go out of business and there would be an economic down-turn for the town, but sometimes that's what needed to get idiots out of office.


restaurants outside of the US seem to do pretty well with the concept of living wages for waitstaff - without any resulting economic downturns

do you refuse to eat if you travel outside of the US?

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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2014 07:09 am
@hawkeye10,
sounds like a modern Automat
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2014 07:11 am
@hawkeye10,
I think what you're describing would work well at downmarket restos. Where you sit matters very much past a certain level. It's still a see and be seen world when you get above a diner/cafeteria level.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2014 07:12 am
@hawkeye10,
errrr you do realize that your chart supports Advocate's argument
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2014 07:13 am
@Advocate,
ha! you spotted that as well
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2014 11:34 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
I think what you're describing would work well at downmarket restos.

Where you sit matters very much past a certain level.

It's still a see and be seen world when you get above a diner/cafeteria level.
I don t agree with that, Beth.
I ran a fine dining group in Manhattan,
enjoying its best restaurants. I never felt that way.
I never wanted to be seen. I did not care.
No one ever brought that up, in over 3O years
of their reserving with me for the group.
That was the Opulent Mensan Special Interest Group.

Accordingly, I never raised that concern when making
reservations, nor on arrival with the Maitre d.
We cared about the flavor of the food, the quality
of the table service and the BEAUTY of the place.





David
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2014 12:43 pm
@Germlat,
This is why you advertise the jobs to young healthy people who can work those jobs. If they don't want them, then they have no need to be on public assistance. There are plenty of jobs out there but people won't work them. Fine you won't work the jobs that are available, then the US govt or your state have no right to just give you money because you want to be selective in the job you work. My grandfather told me a story a long time ago. He left his home when he was about 12 years old to go and work on farms. By 13 he was running 6 teams of horses to plow fields. Now a days, you can barley get kids to take the trash out. The youth of today have been spoiled. We need to take some of that back and let them know that no job is too good for them. If your hungry, you will work! The problem today is that we stop letting people be hungry. No one knows what it means to truly be poor or hungry.
 

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