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Students Walk out on Dick Cheney, Calling Him ‘War Criminal’ (VIDEO)

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 08:49 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
No wonder Oralboy is too scared to go out on his own.


Says izzy the coward from his little IGNORE bunker.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 10:24 am
@JTT,

izzythepush wrote:
No wonder Oralboy is too scared to go out on his own.

I don't even wanna ask.

Izzythepush sure is a stupid little freak though, that's for sure.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 10:29 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
False equivilencies, non responsive answers.

Nope. As always, I responded with a full set of facts. You just don't like facts because you're a Liberal.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
If you consider a blow job and lying about equal to over 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians you are a sad sick person.

Trying to rewrite the history of the thread won't rescue your failed arguments. I was not addressing the invasion of Iraq, as the Bush Administration did not commit any crimes there. What I was addressing was the one crime that they did commit: Torture.

And as usual, you are making claims that have zero factual validity. It is quite disingenuous of you to characterize Clinton's long string of felonies as mere lying.

(And while the invasion of Iraq is beyond the scope of our discussion, I note that you are making non-factual claims there as well. It is unlikely that collateral damage from our invasion and subsequent occupation exceeded 20,000 people.)


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Living at home with your folks has done something really warped to your soul.

As is typical of a Liberal, when confronted with facts you resort to lowbrow insults.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
So, like above, you admit you're wrong.

See, this is the problem with Liberals. You freaks have these kooky fantasies about "what you wish would happen" and then you trick yourselves into believing that your silly delusions are actual reality.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Why not just come out and say that.

Because I'm not wrong, and because I have a strong preference for telling the truth (I'm not a Liberal, you see).


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Do you and your mother go around the bush like that when she asks you what type of pizza you want her to microwave for dinner?

As is typical of a Liberal, when confronted with facts you resort to lowbrow insults.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Reread your responses, you admitted in both I'm right.

See, this is the problem with Liberals. You freaks have these kooky fantasies about "what you wish would happen" and then you trick yourselves into believing that your silly delusions are actual reality.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
You're so stupid you don't even realize it. You ARE stupid.

Falsely accusing me of your own low intelligence will not rescue your failed arguments.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 10:38 am
@oralloy,
Only to the delusional does foot stompin' constitute facts, Oralboy.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 11:18 am
Article quote: The students were protesting his foreign policy, and calling him a “War criminal” as they left the arena.
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I bet the students all piled into their cars, forgetting they need oil to make them go, so they should be glad Cheney was trying to get mideast oil on their behalf..Smile
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 11:38 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Now that makes a lot of sense, Romeo? You commit war crimes to get what you need. There are many countries around the world that pay for their oil.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 03:33 pm
The muslim world technically declared war on the USA by murdering 3000 men and women on 9/11, so the USA went overseas to root out terrorists, it sounds fair enough to me..Smile

GEORGE W BUSH QUOTES-
"This is war. Somebody's gonna pay"
"Countries that harbor terrorists are as guilty as they are"
"Give us the terrorists or we'll come and get 'em"
"America will never seek a permission slip to defend herself"
"A soft line toward terror is not gonna happen on my watch"
"My job is to secure the homeland and thats exactly what i'm gonna do"
"We will not sit back and wait to be hit again"
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 04:12 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
The USA technically declared war on the Moslem World when it orchestrated a coup in Iran, gave Israel its unconditional support in the persecution of Palestinians, supported brutal pro Western dictators in Egypt, Saudi Arabia Yemen Bahrain Iraq etc etc.

And yes, we're just as guilty in the UK before the usual suspects accuse me of being anti American.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 04:16 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
GEORGE W BUSH QUOTES-
"This is war. Somebody's gonna pay"]


Some more George Bush quotations, quote is a verb you dumb ****.

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."

"They misunderestimated me."
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 04:30 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
You quote one of the world's biggest liars, a war criminal, a terrorist of grand proportions.

No one has ever accused you of being bright, Romeo.
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The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom - noted:

Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.

Odom also said:

By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.


JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 04:39 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Some more George Bush quotations, quote is a verb you dumb ****.


------------
M-W
Main Entry: 2quote
Function: noun
Date: 1888
1 : quotation 2 : quotation mark —often used orally to indicate the beginning of a direct quotation
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Izzy has just joined the dumb **** club. I always knew that you had it in you, Iz. Good job, ole bloke!
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 05:29 pm
@JTT,
General Odom was right.

It would be disingenous to suggest that the US has never supported terrorists or employed terrorist tactics.

What nations, throughout their history, have not and what nations that currently possess even a modest level of international power do not?

Clearly, the US cannot, with a collective straight face, utterly condemn any and all killing of civilians. Dresden and Hiroshima are but two examples of why this is the case.

This is not to say that I am prepared to join you in your loathing of the US, because you seem to have a dead spot in your brain when it comes to context.

Why do you care that some people claim that the US is God's appointed nation on Earth? It's puffery, a legal term, and recognized as not having material substance.

You are rabid about what you consider to be hypocrisy (which strongly suggests you are a Liberal) but given your demanded standards what individual and what nation is not a hypocrite? People can't even commiserate about a departed canine friend without you charging in to demand that they tear their hair and rend their breast over dead Nicaraguans.

That you cannot discern the fundamental difference between the US and Nazi Germany suggests that you are autistic-like in your focus.

The world is and has been, in many ways, a horrible place, and people do horrific things to one another in the name of what they perceive and claim to be their righteous cause, but the world and people have another side which makes it all worthwhile and which you seem to be incapable of appreciating.

Even allowing that all of the claims you have made against the US and the UK are accurate, why are you fixated on these two nations? Everyone asks you this as I have on numerous prior occassions and you always "duck and run."

Do you think that China is somehow less noxious? If so please explain why?
How about Cuba? Can you tell us why the Castro's don't deserve your well honed scorn? (And without trying to assert that everything wrong with Cuba is the fault of the US).

If you're just using this forum to vent your spleen and express your Id, no problem. Send me a PM admitting this and we can save us both a lot of typing, but if this really is as important to you as your posts would suggest, you really should consider seeking professional help. (Please believe me, this suggestion was not intended to be some snarky insult.) Obsession is not normal.




Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 05:37 pm
@izzythepush,
Oraloy is the one A2K member which I have chosen to "ignore," and so I can hardly be "ganging up" on you with him.

As for JTT, anyone who actually reads posts other than those they write will know that he and I agree on very little.

One of a few things upon which we agree is that you are a base liar, not-with-standing all of your pathetic attempts to lay the blame upon the subjects of your libel.

No matter what our differences, he has more personal integrity in his obsessively chewed fingernails than you have in your entire essence.

I've made my case about your lying and, as expected, you've run away like the coward you are. There's no point in confronting you any longer. Lie away you silly, pathetic bastard.

(The offer to meet up in London still stands)

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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 06:14 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
THE muslims, eh? Including Muslims actively serving in the US Armed Forces? Bigot.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 06:17 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
That you cannot discern the fundamental difference between the US and Nazi Germany suggests that you are autistic-like in your focus.


Finn Finn Finn. You've come thru the typical stages of denial to a realization that further delusion would be detrimental to your mental well being.

Now you're in stage two - making excuses for crimes that are every bit the equivalent of the Nazis. Pick any area, there's a match. Death camps, both had them.; USA still has them. Invaded sovereign nations, the USA blows the nazis out if the water.

It started for the USA from before the get go and it hasn't let up one iota in over 200 plus years.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 06:26 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
That you cannot discern the fundamental difference between the US and Nazi Germany suggests that you are autistic-like in your focus.


Finn Finn Finn. You've come thru the typical stages of denial to a realization that further delusion would be detrimental to your mental well being.

Now you're in stage two - making excuses for crimes that are every bit the equivalent of the Nazis. Pick any area, there's a match. Death camps, both had them.; USA still has them. Invaded sovereign nations, the USA blows the nazis out if the water.

It started for the USA from before the get go and it hasn't let up one iota in over 200 plus years.


You made the assertion that the US was worse than Nazi Germany. Do you think this post offers anything even remotely like a substantiation of such an allegation?

Spare us the polemics and make your case.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 06:40 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Read the following at the link at the bottom. There are multiple hot links in the text that I cannot show here.



Quote:

America Is Running the World’s Largest Terrorist Operation

Experts on the Left and the Right Agree

By Washington's Blog
Global Research, June 20, 2013
Washington's Blog
Region: USA
Theme: 9/11 & 'War on Terrorism', Intelligence




Chomsky: “Obama Is Running The Biggest Terrorist Operation That Exists”

Leading liberal Noam Chomsky said yesterday:

The Obama administration is dedicated to increasing terrorism. In fact, it’s doing it all over the world. Obama is running the biggest terrorist operation that exists, maybe in history: the drone assassination campaigns, which are just part of it [...] All of these operations, they are terror operations.

***

People hate the country that’s just terrorizing them. That’s not a surprise. Just consider the way we react to acts of terror. That’s the way other people react to [American] acts of terror.

Chomsky is right. Experts agrees that indiscriminate drone strikes are war crimes (more here and here).

The U.S. is not only killing people whose identity it doesn’t even know (more), but it is also killing children. And it is using the justifiably-vilified Al Qaeda tactic of killing people attending funerals of those killed – and targeting people attempting to rescue people who have been injured by – our previous strikes.

Chomsky has previously extensively documented U.S. terrorism. As Wikipedia notes:

Chomsky and Herman observed that terror was concentrated in the U.S. sphere of influence in the Third World, and documented terror carried out by U.S. client states in Latin America. They observed that of ten Latin American countries that had death squads, all were U.S. client states.

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They concluded that the global rise in state terror was a result of U.S. foreign policy.

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In 1991, a book edited by Alexander L. George [the Graham H. Stuart Professor of Political Science Emeritus at Stanford University] also argued that other Western powers sponsored terror in Third World countries. It concluded that the U.S. and its allies were the main supporters of terrorism throughout the world.

Indeed, the U.S. has created death squads in Latin America, Iraq and Syria.



The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom - noted:

Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.

Odom also said:

By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.

(audio here).

The Washington Post reported in 2010:

The United States has long been an exporter of terrorism, according to a secret CIA analysis released Wednesday by the Web site WikiLeaks.

The head and special agent in charge of the FBI’s Los Angeles office said that most terror attacks are committed by our CIA and FBI.

Some in the American military have intentionally tried to “out-terrorize the terrorists”.

As Truthout notes:



Both [specialists Ethan McCord and Josh Stieber] say they saw their mission as a plan to “out-terrorize the terrorists,” in order to make the general populace more afraid of the Americans than they were of insurgent groups.

In the interview with [Scott] Horton, Horton pressed Stieber:

“… a fellow veteran of yours from the same battalion has said that you guys had a standard operating procedure, SOP, that said – and I guess this is a reaction to some EFP attacks on y’all’s Humvees and stuff that killed some guys – that from now on if a roadside bomb goes off, IED goes off, everyone who survives the attack get out and fire in all directions at anybody who happens to be nearby … that this was actually an order from above. Is that correct? Can you, you know, verify that?

Stieber answered:

“Yeah, it was an order that came from Kauzlarich himself, and it had the philosophy that, you know, as Finkel does describe in the book, that we were under pretty constant threat, and what he leaves out is the response to that threat. But the philosophy was that if each time one of these roadside bombs went off where you don’t know who set it … the way we were told to respond was to open fire on anyone in the area, with the philosophy that that would intimidate them, to be proactive in stopping people from making these bombs …”

Terrorism is defined as:

The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

So McCord and Stieber are correct: this constitutes terrorism by American forces in Iraq.

The U.S. has been directly supporting Al Qaeda and other terrorists and providing them arms, money and logistical support in Syria, Libya, Mali, Bosnia, Chechnya, Iran, and many other countries … both before and after 9/11. And see this.

Torture – which the U.S. has liberally used during the last 10 years – has long been recognized as a form of terrorism.

Wikipedia notes:

Worldwide, 74% of countries that used torture on an administrative basis were U.S. client states, receiving military and other support to retain power.

Some Specific Examples …

The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950′s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister.

The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and other European countries in the 1950s and blamed the communists, in order to rally people’s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism.

As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: “You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security” (and see this)(Italy and other European countries subject to the terror campaign had joined NATO before the bombings occurred).

As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in the 1960′s, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interview with the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC’s World News Tonight with Peter Jennings.

Nine months earlier, a false flag attack was discussed in order to justify an invasion of the Dominican Republic. Specifically, according to official State Department records, Under Secretary of State Chester Bowles wrote on June 3, 1961:

The Vice President [Lyndon Johnson], [Attorney General] Bob Kennedy, Secretary [of Defense Robert] McNamara, Dick Goodwin [who was Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs], [head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff] General Lemnitzer, Wyn Coerr, and Ted Achilles were here. Bob McNamara and Lemnitzer stated that under the terms of the contingency paper, they were required to be prepared to move into the island on short order if required to do so, and this, in their opinion, called for substantially more troops that we had in the area. After some discussion we considered two more aircraft carriers, some destroyers, and 12,000 marines should be moved into a position some one hundred miles off the Dominican Republic shore…

The tone of the meeting was deeply disturbing. Bob Kennedy was clearly looking for an excuse to move in on the island. At one point he suggested, apparently seriously, that we might have to blow up the Consulate to provide the rationale.

His general approach, vigorously supported by Dick Goodwin, was that this was a bad government, that there was a strong chance that it might team up with Castro, and that it should be destroyed–with an excuse if possible, without one if necessary.

Rather to my surprise, Bob McNamara seemed to support this view …

The entire spirit of this meeting was profoundly distressing and worrisome, and I left at 8:00 p.m. with a feeling that this spirit which I had seen demonstrated on this occasion and others at the White House by those so close to the President constitutes a further danger of half-cocked action by people with almost no foreign policy experience, who are interested in action for action’s sake, and the devil take the highmost …

[At a subsequent meeting], Bob McNamara went along with their general view that our problem was not to prepare against an overt act by the Dominican Republic but rather to find an excuse for going into the country and upsetting it.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-is-running-the-worlds-largest-terrorist-operation/5339835

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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 06:43 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:

It would be disingenous to suggest that the US has never supported terrorists or employed terrorist tactics.


And yet that is what y'all have been doing for how many years now, Finn? Aside from a few honest people, who by and large are too kowed to really speak up, the "disingenuous" has been absolutely amazing.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 07:17 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:

You made the assertion that the US was worse than Nazi Germany. Do you think this post offers anything even remotely like a substantiation of such an allegation?


Now that is disingenuous! One post is hardly enough to cover 200 years plus of terrorism and war crimes, Finn.

If you actually had any interest, you would read some of the myriad sources that are here at a2k describing the sordid history of the USA. If this kind of duplicity, perfidy, amorality were to be discovered about another country we'd never hear the end if it.

I have before provided you with a link describing the 70 odd years of USA terrorism against the people of Korea. The war crimes against the people of Korea. You fled. That's all y'all do is flee.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 07:19 pm
@JTT,
Stop providing me with links unless you are incapable of a formulation your own argument.
 

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