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Students Walk out on Dick Cheney, Calling Him ‘War Criminal’ (VIDEO)

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 12:02 am
Too bad we cant talk about how choosing to lot listen became something to be celebrated and cheered. That would have been interesting.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 02:43 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Have you read that part in Lord Of The Rings where Sam and Frodo watch two orcs tearing lumps out of each other? That's like what's happening here with A2K's three little goblins all falling out.

Both JTT and Finn make the most disgusting suggestions but couch them in words like 'if' and 'perhaps' so they can then claim they meant no such thing. They're moral cowards of the worst kind, and I'm not wasting my time running around after Finn just so he can deny what he meant. It's the Easter holidays and my boy's off school. He's going to enjoy himself.

Don't waste your time arguing with Oralboy, he's absolutely repulsive and way too stupid to recognise the inherent contradictions in everything he says.

He's a middle aged virgin still living with his parents, and he has learning difficulties. If he wasn't so disgusting you might feel sorry for him, once his parents die he'll be put in some institution or other because he's incapable of looking after himself. There's some poetic justice in that.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 05:21 pm
@izzythepush,
Finn's on ignore. Sometimes JTT posts cogent political and historical pieces I actually learn something new from. Then again he also posts some merde on the wallpaper. I think he can moderate his speech with encouragement but I also understand why you know otherwise. I bet underdogs and long-shots. Oraloy is in in the middle for me. He is much closer to ignore than encouragement. But you are a poster I can support even when we disagree on the pont.

It is weird to see personal attacks made on A2K which I understood was going to stop when Craven deKere started this site to be an alternative to Abuzz. Other than spam I see no evidence of monitoring here. Frankly free speech doesn't scare or offend me. But I refuse to turn into the bullies that do seem to have a safe haven here.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 05:28 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Lawful Acts of War are neither murder nor mayhem.


Then lawful abortion isn't murder, either. You can't have it both ways. MORON!
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 05:46 pm
@oralloy,
You are so ignorant of the law. He WAS convicted of NOTHING.

The Congress that acquitted him as a GOP Congress, like he had the last six years of his Presidency. You are stupid and stubborn person of no facts.

Read this and learn something.

Impeachment of Bill Clinton
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Floor proceedings of the U.S. Senate during the impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton in 1999, Chief Justice William Rehnquist presiding. House managers are seated beside the quarter-circular tables on the left and the president's personal counsel on the right.

Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice, on December 19, 1998. Two other impeachment articles, a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power, failed in the House. He was acquitted of both charges by the Senate on February 12, 1999.[1]

Independent Counsel Ken Starr alleged that Clinton had broken the law during his handling of the Lewinsky scandal and the Paula Jones lawsuit. Four charges were considered by the full House of Representatives; only two passed, and those on a nearly party-line vote. It was only the second time in history that the House had impeached the President of the United States, and only the third that the full House had considered such proceedings.

The trial in the United States Senate began right after the seating of the 106th Congress, in which the Republicans began with 55 Senators. A two-thirds majority (67 Senators) was required to remove Clinton from office. Fifty Senators voted to remove Clinton on the obstruction of justice charge and 45 voted to remove him on the perjury charge; no Democrat voted guilty on either charge.

Contents

1 Independent counsel investigation
2 January 1998 press conference
3 Impeachment by House of Representatives
4 Acquittal by the U.S. Senate
5 Senate votes
6 Results
6.1 Contempt of court citation
6.2 Civil settlement with Paula Jones
6.3 Political ramifications
6.4 Ensuing events for 13 House managers
7 See also
8 References
9 External links

Independent counsel investigation

The charges arose from an investigation by Independent Counsel Ken Starr. Originally dealing with the failed land deal years earlier known as Whitewater, Starr, with the approval of United States Attorney General Janet Reno, conducted a wide ranging investigation of alleged abuses including the firing of White House travel agents, the alleged misuse of FBI files, and Bill Clinton's conduct during the sexual harassment lawsuit filed by a former Arkansas government employee, Paula Jones. In the course of the investigation, Linda Tripp provided Starr with taped phone conversations in which Monica Lewinsky, a former White House Intern, discussed having oral sex with Clinton. At the deposition, the judge ordered a precise legal definition of the term "sexual relations"[2] that Clinton claims to have construed to mean only vaginal intercourse. A much-quoted statement from Clinton's grand jury testimony showed him questioning the precise use of the word "is." Contending that his statement that "there's nothing going on between us" had been truthful because he had no ongoing relationship with Lewinsky at the time he was questioned, Clinton said, "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the—if he—if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not—that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement".[3] Starr obtained further evidence of inappropriate behaviour by seizing the computer hard drive and email records of Monica Lewinsky. Based on his conflicting testimony, Starr concluded that Clinton had committed perjury. Starr submitted his findings to Congress in a lengthy document (the so-called Starr Report), and simultaneously posted the report on the internet, replete with lurid descriptions of encounters between Clinton and Lewinsky.[4] Starr was criticised by Democrats for spending $70 million on an investigation that substantiated only perjury and obstruction of justice.[5] Critics of Starr also contend that his investigation was highly politicized because it regularly leaked tidbits of information to the press, in violation of legal ethics, and because his report included lengthy descriptions which were humiliating yet irrelevant to the legal case.[6][7]
January 1998 press conference

Remarks including response to Monica Lewinsky scandal (January 26, 1998)
File:Response to the Lewinsky Allegations (January 26, 1998) Bill Clinton.ogv
Bill Clinton making a presentation that ends with a short commentary on the Monica Lewinsky scandal. The presentation is known for the quote "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." (6:22)
Remarks including response to Monica Lewinsky scandal (January 26, 1998)
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After rumors of the scandal reached the news, Clinton publicly stated, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." In his Paula Jones deposition, he swore, "I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I've never had an affair with her."[8] Months later, Clinton admitted that his relationship with Lewinsky was "wrong" and "not appropriate." Lewinsky engaged in oral sex with Clinton several times.[9][10]
Impeachment by House of Representatives

Since Ken Starr had already completed an extensive investigation, the House Judiciary Committee conducted no investigations of its own into Clinton's alleged wrongdoing, and it held no serious impeachment-related hearings before the 1998 mid-term elections. Nevertheless, impeachment was one of the major issues in the election. In November 1998, the Democrats picked up seats in the Congress. (The previous mid-term election, in 1994, had been a major debacle for Clinton's Democratic Party, though the Democrats gained eight House seats in November 1996.)

While the Republicans still maintained majority control of the United States House of Representatives after the 1998 midterm elections, they still suffered a net loss of five seats to the Democrats.[11] The results were a particular embarrassment for House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who prior the election had been reassured by private polling that Clinton's scandal would result in the GOP gaining as many as thirty House seats.[11] Shortly after the elections, Gingrich, who had been one of the leading advocates for impeachment,[12] announced he would resign from Congress as soon as he was able to find somebody to fill his vacant seat;[11] Gingrich fulfilled this pledge and officially resigned from Congress on January 3, 1999.[13]

Impeachment proceedings were initiated during the post-election, "lame duck" session of the outgoing 105th United States Congress. The committee hearings were perfunctory, but the floor debate in the whole House was spirited on both sides. The Speaker-designate, Representative Bob Livingston, chosen by the Republican Party Conference to replace outgoing Speaker Newt Gingrich, announced the end of his candidacy for Speaker and his resignation from Congress from the floor of the House after his own marital infidelity came to light.[14] In the same speech, Livingston also encouraged Clinton to resign. Clinton chose to remain in office and urged Livingston to reconsider his resignation.[15] Many other prominent Republican members of Congress (including Dan Burton[14] of Indiana; Helen Chenoweth[14] of Idaho; and Henry Hyde[14] of Illinois, the chief House manager of Clinton's trial in the Senate) had infidelities exposed around this time, all of whom voted for impeachment. Publisher Larry Flynt offered a reward for such information and many supporters of Clinton accused Republicans of hypocrisy.[14]

Upon the passage of H. Res. 611, Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998, by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228–206 vote)[16] and obstruction of justice (by a 221–212 vote).[17] Two other articles of impeachment failed – a second count of perjury in the Jones case (by a 205–229 vote)[18] and one accusing Clinton of abuse of power (by a 148–285 vote).[19] Four Republicans opposed all four articles, while five Democrats voted for three of them and one Democrat for all four. Clinton thus became the second U.S. president to be impeached, following Andrew Johnson in 1868. (Clinton was the third sitting President against whom the House of Representatives has initiated impeachment proceedings since 1789. Articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon were passed by the House Judiciary Committee in 1974 and reported to the full House, but Nixon resigned the Presidency before the impeachment resolutions could be considered.)

Five Democrats (Virgil Goode of Virginia, Ralph Hall of Texas, Paul McHale of Pennsylvania, Charles Stenholm of Texas, and Gene Taylor of Mississippi) voted in favor of three of the four articles of impeachment, but only Taylor voted for the abuse of power charge. Five Republicans (Amo Houghton of New York, Peter King of New York, Connie Morella of Maryland, Chris Shays of Connecticut, and Mark Souder of Indiana) voted against the first perjury charge. Eight more Republicans (Sherwood Boehlert of New York, Michael Castle of Delaware, Phil English of Pennsylvania, Nancy Johnson of Connecticut, Jay Kim of California, Jim Leach of Iowa, John McHugh of New York, and Ralph Regula of Ohio), but not Souder, voted against the obstruction charge. Twenty-eight Republicans voted against the second perjury charge, sending it to defeat, and eighty-one voted against the abuse of power charge.
Acquittal by the U.S. Senate
Congressional Record from Feb 12, 1999 showing end of President Clinton's impeachment trial.
Two tickets for Bill Clinton’s impeachment trial, January 14–15, 1999.

The Senate trial began on January 7, 1999, with Chief Justice of the United States William Rehnquist presiding. The first day consisted of formal presentation of the charges against Clinton, and of Justice Rehnquist swearing in all arguants in the trial.

Thirteen House Republicans from the Judiciary Committee served as "managers," the equivalent of prosecutors:

Chairman Henry Hyde of Illinois
Jim Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin
Bill McCollum of Florida
George Gekas of Pennsylvania
Charles Canady of Florida
Steve Buyer of Indiana
Ed Bryant of Tennessee
Steve Chabot of Ohio
Bob Barr of Georgia
Asa Hutchinson of Arkansas
Chris Cannon of Utah
James E. Rogan of California
Lindsey Graham of South Carolina

Clinton was defended by Cheryl Mills. Clinton's counsel staff included Charles Ruff, David E. Kendall, Dale Bumpers, Bruce Lindsey, Nicole Seligman, Lanny A. Breuer and Gregory B. Craig.[20]

A resolution on rules and procedure for the trial was adopted unanimously on the following day; however, Senators tabled the question of whether to call witnesses in the trial. The trial remained in recess while briefs were filed by the House (Jan. 11) and Clinton (Jan. 13).

The Managers presented their case over three days, from January 14 to 16, with discussion of the facts and background of the case; detailed cases for both articles of impeachment (including excerpts from videotaped grand jury testimony that Clinton had made the previous August); matters of interpretation and application of the laws governing perjury and obstruction of justice; and argument that the evidence and precedents justified removal of the President from office by virtue of "willful, premeditated, deliberate corruption of the nation's system of justice through perjury and obstruction of justice."[21] The defense presentation took place from January 19–21. Clinton's defense counsel argued that Clinton's grand jury testimony had too many inconsistencies to be a clear case of perjury, that the investigation and impeachment had been tainted by partisan political bias, that the President's approval rating of more than 70 percent indicated that his ability to govern had not been impaired by the scandal, and that the Managers had ultimately presented "an unsubstantiated, circumstantial case that does not meet the constitutional standard to remove the President from office."[21] January 22 and 23 were devoted to questions from members of the Senate to the House Managers and Clinton's defense counsel. Under the rules, all questions (over 150) were to be written down and given to Rehnquist to read to the party being questioned.

On January 25, Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia moved for dismissals of both articles of impeachment for lack of merit. On the following day, Rep. Bryant moved to call witnesses to the trial, a question that the Senate had scrupulously avoided to that point. In both cases, the Senate voted to deliberate on the question in private session, rather than public, televised procedure. On January 27, the Senate voted on both motions in public session; the motion to dismiss failed on a party line vote of 56–44, while the motion to depose witnesses passed by the same margin. (In both cases, Russ Feingold of Wisconsin was the sole Democratic vote in the majority.) A day later, the Senate voted down motions to move directly to a vote on the articles of impeachment and to suppress videotaped depositions of the witnesses from public release, Feingold again voting with the Republicans.

Over three days, February 1–3, House Managers took videotaped closed-door depositions from Monica Lewinsky, Clinton's friend Vernon Jordan, and White House aide Sidney Blumenthal. On Feb. 4, however, the Senate voted 70–30 that excerpting these videotapes would suffice as testimony, rather than calling live witnesses to appear at trial. The videos were played in the Senate on February 6, featuring 30 excerpts of Lewinsky discussing her affidavit in the Paula Jones case, the hiding of small gifts Clinton had given her, and his involvement in procurement of a job for Lewinsky.

On February 8, closing arguments were presented with each side allotted a three-hour time slot. On the President's behalf, White House Counsel Charles Ruff declared: "There is only one question before you, albeit a difficult one, one that is a question of fact and law and constitutional theory. Would it put at risk the liberties of the people to retain the President in office? Putting aside partisan animus, if you can honestly say that it would not, that those liberties are safe in his hands, then you must vote to acquit."[21]

Chief prosecutor Henry Hyde countered: "A failure to convict will make the statement that lying under oath, while unpleasant and to be avoided, is not all that serious...We have reduced lying under oath to a breach of etiquette, but only if you are the President...And now let us all take our place in history on the side of honor, and, oh, yes, let right be done."[21]


On February 9, after voting against a public deliberation on the verdict, the Senate began closed-door deliberations instead. On February 12, the Senate emerged from its closed deliberations and voted on the articles of impeachment. A two-thirds majority, 67 votes, would have been necessary to convict and remove the President from office. The perjury charge was defeated with 45 votes for conviction and 55 against.[22] (Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania voted "not proven,"[23] which was considered by the Chief Justice Rehnquist as a vote of "not guilty.") The obstruction of justice charge was defeated with 50 for conviction and 50 against.[24]
Senate votes
Robe worn by Chief Justice William Rehnquist during the proceedings

The perjury charge failed with 45 senators (all Republican) voting "guilty" and 55 senators (45 Democrats and 10 Republicans) voting "not guilty". The obstruction of justice charge failed with 50 senators (all Republican) voting "guilty" and 50 senators (45 Democrats and 5 Republicans) voting "not guilty". In both cases, a two-thirds majority of 67 senators would have been required for conviction.

The five Republican senators who voted against conviction on both charges were John Chafee of Rhode Island, Susan Collins of Maine, Jim Jeffords of Vermont, Olympia Snowe of Maine, and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania. The additional five Republican senators who voted "not guilty" only on the perjury charge were Slade Gorton of Washington, Richard Shelby of Alabama, Ted Stevens of Alaska, Fred Thompson of Tennessee, and John Warner of Virginia.


Contempt of court citation

In April 1999, about two months after being acquitted by the Senate, Clinton was cited by Federal District Judge Susan Webber Wright for civil contempt of court for his "willful failure" to obey her repeated orders to testify truthfully in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit. For this citation, Clinton was assessed a $90,000 fine, and the matter was referred to the Arkansas Supreme Court to see if disciplinary action would be appropriate.[25]

Regarding Clinton's January 17, 1998, deposition where he was placed under oath, the judge wrote:

"Simply put, the president's deposition testimony regarding whether he had ever been alone with Ms. (Monica) Lewinsky was intentionally false, and his statements regarding whether he had ever engaged in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky likewise were intentionally false...."[25]

In January 2001, on the day before leaving office, Clinton agreed to a five-year suspension of his Arkansas law license as part of an agreement with the independent counsel[clarification needed] to end the investigation. Based on this suspension, Clinton was automatically suspended from the United States Supreme Court bar, from which he then chose to resign.[26]
Civil settlement with Paula Jones

Eventually, the court dismissed the Paula Jones harassment lawsuit, before trial, on the grounds that Jones failed to demonstrate any damages. However, while the dismissal was on appeal, Clinton entered into an out-of-court settlement by agreeing to pay Jones $850,000.[27][28]
Political ramifications

Polls conducted during 1998 and early 1999 showed that only about one-third of Americans supported Clinton's impeachment or conviction. However, one year later, when it was clear that House impeachment would not lead to the ousting of the President, half of Americans said in a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll that they supported impeachment but 57% approved of the Senate's decision to keep him in office and two thirds of those polled said the impeachment was harmful to the country.[29]

While Clinton's job approval rating rose during the Lewinsky scandal and subsequent impeachment, his poll numbers with regard to questions of honesty, integrity and moral character declined.[30] As a result, "moral character" and "honesty" weighed heavily in the next presidential election. According to The Daily Princetonian, after the 2000 presidential election, "post-election polls found that, in the wake of Clinton-era scandals, the single most significant reason people voted for Bush was for his moral character."[31][32][33] According to an analysis of the election by Stanford University:

"A more political explanation is the belief in Gore campaign circles that disapproval of President Clinton's personal behavior was a serious threat to the vice president's prospects. Going into the election the one negative element in the public's perception of the state of the nation was the belief that the country was morally on the wrong track, whatever the state of the economy or world affairs. According to some insiders, anything done to raise the association between Gore and Clinton would have produced a net loss of support—the impact of Clinton's personal negatives would outweigh the positive impact of his job performance on support for Gore. Thus, hypothesis four suggests that a previously unexamined variable played a major role in 2000—the retiring president's personal approval."[34]

The Stanford analysis, however, presented different theories and mainly argued that Gore had lost because he decided to distance himself from Clinton during the campaign.[34] The writers of it concluded:[34]

"We find that Gore’s oft-criticized personality was not a cause of his under-performance. Rather, the major cause was his failure to receive a historically normal amount of credit for the performance of the Clinton administration."[34]

According to the America's Future Foundation:

"In the wake of the Clinton scandals, independents warmed to Bush's promise to 'restore honor and dignity to the White House.' According to Voter News Service, the personal quality that mattered most to voters was 'honesty.' Voters who chose 'honesty' preferred Bush over Gore by over a margin of five to one. Forty Four percent of Americans said the Clinton scandals were important to their vote. Of these, Bush reeled in three out of every four."[35]

Political commentators, however, have argued that Gore's refusal to have Clinton campaign with him was a bigger liability to Gore than Clinton's scandals.[34][36][37][38][39] The 2000 US Congressional election also saw the Democrats gain more seats in Congress.[40] As a result of this gain, control of the US Senate was split 50-50 between both parties,[41] and Democrats would regain control over the US Senate after Republican Senator Jim Jeffords defected from his party in the spring of 2001 and agreed to caucus with the Democrats.[42]

Al Gore reportedly confronted Clinton after the election, and "tried to explain that keeping Clinton under wraps [during the campaign] was a rational response to polls showing swing voters were still mad as hell over the Year of Monica." According to the AP, "during the one-on-one meeting at the White House, which lasted more than an hour, Gore used uncommonly blunt language to tell Clinton that his sex scandal and low personal approval ratings were a hurdle he could not surmount in his campaign...[with] the core of the dispute was Clinton's lies to Gore and the nation about his affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky."[43][44] Clinton, however, was unconvinced by Gore's argument and insisted to Gore that he would have won the election if he had embraced the administration and its good economic record.[43][44]
Ensuing events for 13 House managers

Of the 13 members of the House who managed Clinton's trial in the Senate, only one lost to a Democrat in his 2000 bid for re-election (James E. Rogan, to Adam Schiff). Charles Canady retired from Congress in 2000, following through on a previous term limits pledge to voters, and Bill McCollum ran unsuccessfully for the U.S. Senate. Asa Hutchinson, after being re-elected in 2000, left Congress after being appointed head of the Drug Enforcement Administration by President George W. Bush. In 2002, two former House managers lost their seats after redistricting placed them in the same district as another incumbent (Bob Barr lost to John Linder in a Republican primary, and George Gekas lost to Democrat Tim Holden), while two more ran for the U.S. Senate (Lindsey Graham successfully, Ed Bryant unsuccessfully). The other five remained in the House well into the 2000s (decade), and two (Jim Sensenbrenner and Steve Chabot) are still members (although Chabot lost his seat to Steve Driehaus in the 2008 elections; Chabot defeated Driehaus in a 2010 rematch). In 2009, Sensenbrenner served again as a manager for the impeachment of Judge Samuel B. Kent of Texas[45] as well as serving in 2010 as Republican lead manager in the impeachment of Judge G. Thomas Porteous, Jr. of Louisiana.[46]
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 05:51 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Did you read what Rand Paul said about your "war"?


Nope. Can't say I've read a single thing he's ever said.

You a fan of his?


Sometimes, like when he leaves Ayn Rand in the dust. He's pretty informed on the Constitution for a Dentist.


Rand Paul: Dick Cheney used 9/11 as excuse to invade Iraq for the benefit of Halliburton
By Tom Boggioni
Monday, April 7, 2014 7:53 EDT

In a videotaped 2009 speech before student Republicans at Western Kentucky University, Rand Paul — who was just beginning his run for the Senate seat he eventually won — explained that former Vice President Dick Cheney, who counseled against war in Iraq in 1995, pushed for war following 9/11 to benefit his former employers at military contractor Halliburton.

In the video, discovered by David Corn at Mother Jones, Paul can be seen standing at a lectern describing Cheney’s opinion in 1995, when he said that invading Iraq would be, “a disaster, it would be vastly expensive, it’d be civil war, we would have no exit strategy.”

Paul said:

There’s a great YouTube of Dick Cheney in 1995 defending [President] Bush Number One [and the decision not to invade Baghdad in the first Gulf war], and he goes on for about five minutes. He’s being interviewed, I think, by the American Enterprise Institute, and and he says it would be a disaster, it would be vastly expensive, it’d be civil war, we would have no exit strategy. He goes on and on for five minutes. Dick Cheney saying it would be a bad idea. And that’s why the first Bush didn’t go into Baghdad. Dick Cheney then goes to work for Halliburton. Makes hundreds of millions of dollars, their CEO. Next thing you know, he’s back in government and it’s a good idea to go into Iraq.

Paul then goes on to describe events following the 9/11 terrorist attack when, then CIA director, George Tenet is told by George W. Bush adviser Richard Perle that the attack had given them reason to invade Iraq, despite the fact that the intelligence had yet to show a connection:

The day after 9/11, [CIA chief] George Tenet is going in the [White] House and [Pentagon adviser] Richard Perle is coming out of the White House. And George Tenet should know more about intelligence than anybody in the world, and the first thing Richard Perle says to him on the way out is, ‘We’ve got it, now we can go into Iraq.’ And George Tenet, who supposedly knows as much intelligence as anybody in the White House says, ‘Well, don’t we need to know that they have some connection to 9/11?’ And, he [Perle] says, ‘It doesn’t matter.’ It became an excuse. 9/11 became an excuse for a war they already wanted in Iraq.

Corn points out that the speech Paul was giving was not a one time event, describing Cheney’s desire for war.

In a videotaped 2008 Montana speech, also uncovered by Corn, Paul directly linked Cheney ‘s Halliburton “millions” to the 2001 Iraq war:

It’s Dick Cheney in 1995 being interviewed on why they didn’t go into Baghdad the first time under the first [President] George Bush. And his arguments are exactly mirroring my dad’s arguments for why we shouldn’t have gone in this time. It would be chaos. There’d be a civil war. There’d be no exit strategy. And cost a blue bloody fortune in both lives and treasure. And this is Dick Cheney saying this. But, you know, a couple hundred million dollars later Dick Cheney earns from Halliburton, he comes back into government. Now Halliburton’s got a billion-dollar no-bid contract in Iraq. You know, you hate to be so cynical that you think some of these corporations are able to influence policy, but I think sometimes they are. Most of the people on these [congressional] committees have a million dollars in their bank account all from different military industrial contractors. We don’t want our defense to be defined by people who make money off of the weapons.

As Corn points out, there have long been suspicions that Dick Cheney used the post-9/11 war on Iraq as a way to thank Halliburton for making him a very wealthy man after stepping down as Secretary of Defense under former President George H.W. Bush.

In 2012, Corn writing for Mother Jones uncovered video of Mitt Romney telling wealthy donors that 47 percent of people would vote for Barack Obama because they were “dependent upon government.” The video was widely believed to be damaging to the Romney campaign.

Watch the Western Kentucky video below:
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 06:03 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
God damn it, Bobsal, Oralboy, coldjoint and me really hate it when you resort to using facts like this. And to top all then you went and did the same in a second post. That's really fightin' dirty!

What in Sam hell has come over you! This has got to stop. Hear that?!?

Signed:
Oralboy
X (= coldjoint)
Me Smile
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 06:11 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Watch the Western Kentucky video below:
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Where's the link to the video, Bob?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 06:11 pm
@JTT,
Damn, boy - you're hanging with rough crowd. Come on home. oraloy and 'x' are bound to get hung or homeless. I got faith in you!
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 06:13 pm
@JTT,
JTT, oooopppps!

http://youtu.be/9G_0rUH0iYY
http://youtu.be/RMAHLq8yBnE
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 06:31 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
How the ****, excuse my Iraqi, did this not reach the press back when it mattered? Did Rand Paul bite his tongue, was he kowed into submission by Bush & the gang, did none of those students mention anything to the press, to any single body that had an ounce of inner courage?

This is *******, excuse my Afghanese, astounding!!

Dollars to donuts, nothing will happen to the war criminals. Even if the war criminals all went on national TV and confessed, nothing would happen.

bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 07:40 pm
@JTT,
Nobody took the carpet bagging little tweek seriously. How fucked up is Kentucky that he got to be Senator?

Then again my state has Cruz and Cornyn.

I think Teds a one termer and he'll end up a talking head on Faux Snews.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 09:37 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
You are so ignorant of the law.

Says the clown who can't point out any facts that I am wrong about.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
He WAS convicted of NOTHING.

Indeed. The Left ensured that Clinton got away with all of his felonies.

That is why the Left now has no moral standing to complain about torture in the Bush Administration. (Bush isn't going to be convicted of anything either.)


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
The Congress that acquitted him as a GOP Congress, like he had the last six years of his Presidency.

Unfortunately there were not enough law-abiding Conservatives to overcome all the lawless Liberals.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
You are stupid

Falsely accusing me of your own low intelligence does nothing to rescue your failed arguments.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 09:38 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Then lawful abortion isn't murder, either.

Meh.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
You can't have it both ways.

Oh well.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
MORON!

Falsely accusing me of your own rather low intelligence does nothing to rescue your failed arguments.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 09:40 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Finn's on ignore.

People who rely on facts and logic are a great inconvenience to you, what with all the discog you suffer when you are confronted with how much reality differs from your extremist ideology.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Sometimes JTT posts cogent political and historical pieces I actually learn something new from. Then again he also posts some merde on the wallpaper. I think he can moderate his speech with encouragement but I also understand why you know otherwise. I bet underdogs and long-shots.

You like anyone who makes horrible false accusations against America. It fits your Freedom-Hating ideology.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Oraloy is in in the middle for me. He is much closer to ignore than encouragement.

As previously noted, you don't like those of us who rely on facts and logic.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
But you are a poster I can support even when we disagree on the pont.

Your support of vile scumbags is shameful.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
It is weird to see personal attacks made on A2K which I understood was going to stop when Craven deKere started this site to be an alternative to Abuzz. Other than spam I see no evidence of monitoring here. Frankly free speech doesn't scare or offend me. But I refuse to turn into the bullies that do seem to have a safe haven here.

Now you are being funny (unintentionally, I know).

Most of the personal attacks in this thread are you falsely accusing people of your own low IQ.

The only bully in the thread is izzythepush. You seem quite unhappy about people defending themselves from his bullying and with me pointing out what a horrible person he is. Likely that is because your extremist ideology hates the idea of Self Defense, but regardless the result is that you support bullying.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 09:47 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
People who rely on facts and logic are a great inconvenience to you,


There was neither facts nor logic in your post, Oralboy, and we must note that that is not at all unusual.

To your credit there was a whole lot of foot stompin'.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 09:48 pm
@oralloy,
Some foot stompin'.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 09:52 pm
@oralloy,
There's these things on the internet that are called search engines, Oralboy. One of the more famous ones is Google. You should learn how to use them to make your foot stompin' that much more effective.

After you have learned how to use them you could, if you were so inclined, find a source.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 07:42 am
@oralloy,
Where to Re: bobsal u1553115 (Post 5631268)
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

You are so ignorant of the law.


Says the clown who can't point out any facts that I am wrong about.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:

He WAS convicted of NOTHING.


Indeed. The Left ensured that Clinton got away with all of his felonies.

That is why the Left now has no moral standing to complain about torture in the Bush Administration. (Bush isn't going to be convicted of anything either..

False equivilencies, non responsive answers. If you consider a blow job and lying about equal to over 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians you are a sad sick person. Living at home with your folks has done something really warped to your soul.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:

The Congress that acquitted him as a GOP Congress, like he had the last six years of his Presidency.


Unfortunately there were not enough law-abiding Conservatives to overcome all the lawless Liberals.

So, like above, you admit you're wrong. Why not just come out and say that. Do you and your mother go around the bush like that when she asks you what type of pizza you want her to microwave for dinner?


bobsal u1553115 wrote:

You are stupid


Falsely accusing me of your own low intelligence does nothing to rescue your failed arguments. start ......

Reread your responses, you admitted in both I'm right. You're so stupid you don't even realize it. You ARE stupid.

Quote:
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 07:50 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Oralboy has a very limited vocabulary, with about five pat responses. His variation of 'I know you are, but what am I?' is something he's been churning out ad nauseam for years.

Btw, I love the fact that he describes me as the bully when JTT, Finn and himself are all ganging up on me. It just shows what a bunch of sad inadequates they all are.

No wonder Oralboy is too scared to go out on his own.
 

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