The Party Without a Soul

"unconscious of how stupid or bad it makes them look. " to the stupid and ignorant, perhaps. It has made some actually think."This was an interesting theory given that these accounting scandals had their genesis well prior to November 2000,"
Oh, Clinton's fault. but of course!
"John Kerry, who went out of his way to tell the press that he couldn't comment on charges of Bush being AWOL from the National Guard in the 1970s because he just didn't have all the facts (in fact he knew, as did much of the press, that the charge was bogus)"
Oh, did he? I wish that were clearer! Bush's paperwork hasn't shed much light there.
"just look what happened to Al Gore." What?
"he actually voted for the $87 billion to support our operations in Iraq and Afghanistan before he voted against it. (Incredibly, weeks before voting against the $87 billion package, Kerry stated that a vote against the package would be "irresponsible.")"
Sigh... this again? The concept is simple to understand if you actually cared to consider the facts.
"But it is not just Kerry's positions on big important issues that twist in the wind. In a recent MTV interview the Massachusetts senator proclaimed, "I'm fascinated by rap and by hip-hop. I think there's a lot of poetry in it." To further demonstrate his bona fides to the MTV crowd, he continued, "I'm still listening [to rap and hip-hop] because I know it's a reflection of the street and it's a reflection of life." Really. No doubt he also has met with many unnamed rap and hip-hop leaders who have told him that he needs to beat George Bush."
Whatever is that statement supposed to prove?
"to the extent the Democratic Party may still have a soul, it lies with the Deaniacs whose hatred of Bush is augmented by a dogged enthusiasm for European socialism and neutered American foreign policy."
Yep, that's what we want. Sigh...

Bush may be a "man of convictions", but many people don't like his convictions, and many see them as not quite what a democracy needs. Until that changes, democrats will continue doing the job as set forth by our forefathers. thank you.

I felt the exact same way when I watched a bit of the 2000 GOP Convention and saw an openly gay Texas House Reprenatative open that days business (a well dressed, well groomed man in his 50's), only to see a group of Republicans on the floor, rise and then turn their backs to the man in silent protest because he's gay.

Talk about soulless.

wow. that's tolerance.

hi Suzy- Yes, the Republican party is a scary place to call home in my opinion. You may've wondered why I chose this example. No, I'm not gay, but I have many gay friends who I cherish and the stories they tell of growing up in conservative America and escaping oppression in GOP controlled areas of the country has rocked me to my very soul.

I recall some conservatives were quite vocal in their opposition to prosecuting the goons who beat to death Matthew Sheppard. They said it was pandering to the homosexual agenda. Whatever that means.

I will never forget or forgive this level of hatred.

Ladies:

This thread is unworthy of reasoned response.

Don't keep taking the bait.

hi PDiddie- Yes, Deecups has to agree. I'm discovering few threads here by our GOP friends that don't begin with bait. I wonder why?

If the $87 billion issue is what I think it is, I can understand it too. That quote of his is too good to ignore, though. But listening to him say with a straight face that he's fascinated by rap music is too much to take.

I really don't see why, tarantulas.
I'm in my 40s and I really dig some rap music.
It IS a talent.
Some of it sucks, yeah, but some of it is brilliant.

I hear ya' tarantulas.

To know Bush only listens to country music and never reads the newspaper is more than a little much to take.

The very reason that we want ABB is because we do believe in something and George Bush and his crowd are trying to roll back on the strides that this country has made either out in the open or in some kind of sneaky way.

The strides I am talking about are civil liberties and social programs for the needy and those sorts of ideas. (everything is not about iraq and surrounding issues about Iraq) By introducing such ideas like "no child left behind" it sounded good. But when put in practice it stinks because it does not take in consideration the disavantage the some of the "failing schools" have that will make them have lower test scores. Furthermore, the whole idea of vouchers sounds good, but in giving money to put maybe one or a few children in a better school, you are taking the money away from the failing school where most of the children are "left behind" in. I was against it, but most of our democratic leaders voted for it because at the time we were all wanting to be "united".

(I would be hard pressed to find someone other than dean and the other guy who believed like me and for some reason dean bombed out at the primaries and the other guy just seems too flaky. Dean would make a good VP though or Wesley Clark, I would settle for Edwards though beyond nice manners I don't know why everyone likes him so much.)

With his "faith based" programs, again that sounds good. But this is again something that takes away money from other programs where more children and needy adults can be helped. Also, it is a dangerous road to go to when you start mixing religion with government for both sides.

The patriot act is just rife with potential loss of civil liberties and I was against from the start even though our democratic leaders mostly all voted for it.

Another reason we are against George Bush is because his administration has been one the most closed adminstration that I can recall starting with the energy meeting on up through all their decisions. If they can help it, they will keep everything closed. They always have some kind of line to use to excuse whatever it is that is not open to the public, but it rings hollow to me.

It is not about just wanting your party to win, it is more about what kind of country do we want to live in. Any democrat is better than Bush, and there are some republican that would be better than Bush but they are not running. There is nothing bad about Kerry, in fact he seems to me to be intelligent and forceful enough to withstand Bush. I admire the way he went to war when he could have gotten out of it and I admire the stands he made when he got out of it, I admire his long dedication to serving this country. He will do very nicely.

I have two souls thank you very much...they're on the bottom of my feet.

The GOP however has an abundance of soul.....ass souls.

"The GOP however has an abundance of soul.....ass souls." BiPolar Bear

ROFLMAO!!!

Dude, you are brilliant!

I agree with Tarantulas' article. I am horrified by the fact the Democrats don't stand for anything. Kerry is a disaster.



There is plenty bad about Kerry-- his only good point is that he is not as bad as Bush.

I personally oppose Kerry's Middle East viewpoint, his support for the war, his tepid support for Bush tax cuts (his middle class crap is just that) and his mediocre support of denying homosexuals the right to marry.

I have been accused of being on the liberal side of things and I would never vote for Bush.

But I will not be voting for Kerry either. I prefer to keep my soul thank you.

Re: The Party Without a Soul


Isn't this also the de facto Republican Party platform? I know of no political paty that designs a campaign to lose (with the possible exception of Ralph Nader).

LOL, a sneaky way, huh? Let's talk about it. I thought the "no child left behind" measure was meant to point out the "failing" schools so they could get help. If their test scores are consistently low, don't they need to do something to bring them up?

I think if I had to vote for a Democrat, I wouldn't mind electing Joe Lieberman. He seems reasonable to me. What do you think about him?

The faith based programs were supposed to free up tax dollars from existing programs and let the religious groups do what they do best - help people. As long as no services are cut, I don't see anything wrong with saving money this way.

The reason the USA PATRIOT Act had such broad bipartisan support when it was passed is because it's a good law that allows law enforcement to do their jobs without jumping through so many unnecessary hoops, and increases homeland security. Almost any law has the potential for decreasing civil liberties, so I'm not sure why people focus on this act as such a bad thing. If it's so bad, you would think people would be pointing out actual abuses and blaming them on USA PATRIOT. They can't, because there have been very few if any to point to.

As for the comment about the "closed adminstration," do you think that every decision and meeting should be open to the public? Or are you wanting more news conferences? Or what?

You said "Any democrat is better than Bush." I submit to you that you are just about to get "any Democrat" as your candidate. It appears that Senator Kerry is willing to say just about anything to get elected, and reverse any statement to get his poll numbers up. Listening to National Public Radio yesterday, I heard a young man say that he was going to hold his nose and vote for Kerry. I think that the more people get to know John Kerry, the more people will be holding their noses in the voting booth. Or voting for George Bush.


I think the point was not well stated. I believe what he was trying to say was "WINNING THE NEXT ELECTION is the only plank in the de facto Democratic Party platform."

I can't let a previous comment in this thread go by unchallenged. I think I watched every bit of the 2000 GOP Convention and do not recall anybody turning their back on a scheduled gay speaker. He rather received extended applause. He was so well received that it alarmed some leftwing gay rights groups.

I can produce other sources though I probably won't bother. This is the first one I came to:


http://www.planetout.com/pno/news/article.html?2000/08/01/1

Tarantulas, kudos to you for admitting this:

Tarantulas

They have not increased any money for those failing schools. All they are doing are testing. As a result the schools have to just study for test instead of coming up with ways to improve the needs of diavantaged children by having more head starts and after school programs and things of that nature. I am against those test that fail to take account other factors except how well they do on the test.

I was against Joe Libberman because of his unrelenting stand on Iraq and other issues in line with Bush. If he is that unrelenting than he would just continue with the Bush doctrine once elected and we may as well stay with Bush.

If the faith based programs take away money from existing programs then services are going to suffer from lack of funds. It is not as though government program are just over run with funds despite how those on the side make out like. Besides, it sets up a dangerous closeness between religion and government programs that could lead to the kinds of tactics that missionaries do when they go to other countries. Push their doctine down the throats of people in exchange for food and shelter.

When I said, closed I mean that they decide without consulting any democrats leaders or sometimes without anyone other than those in their circle. Like the energy meeting that Cheney had.

I don't care if all the people go to the polls holding their noses as long as they vote democrat to get bush out of office so that we don't continue down the path we are on. Furthermore, I don't see anything that alarming about Kerry.

About the patriot act, I have a problem with the peole spying on my reading habits at the library, I have problem thinking that if someone just suspects me of being a terrorist they can hold me as an enemy combatant and I can't have due process of law, I have a problem the government being able tapp into my phone line willy nilly and there is not a thing I can do about it. These things affect me, not just terrorist from some way off country who everyone seems to think deserves no rights either.

Let me just say that I believe Revel is absolutely correct in pretty much every statement she has made!
I'll be sans the internet at home for about 2 weeks, so I wanted to get that off my chest!
Revel, you go, girl!