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A Plea from a Marine in Iraq

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 10:53 am
Like who bear? Who is it exactly that is profiting from the war in Iraq.

Surely you have evidence to back up your accusations, right? Facts? Figures? Politician names and which corporations they are "partnered up" with, right?

You must also have some kind of proof to back up your accusation that they "will create and maintain war and conflict purposely in order to perpetuate their power and money base. "

Notes from meetings? hidden microphone? Secret informants? Spy cameras? What is your proof because I know that someone like yourself would NEVER simply make accusations like these without some sort of evidenciary proof, right?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 10:54 am
Oh yeah, you need to become more familiar with Bloom County if you do not what Opus is doing.
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suzy
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 10:58 am
Jeez. Bush/Cheney/Halliburton, for one.
And cheating the American taxpayer to make even more $.
That's okay, McG?
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 11:03 am
suzy wrote:
Jeez. Bush/Cheney/Halliburton, for one.
And cheating the American taxpayer to make even more $.
That's okay, McG?


Yeah, what she said.....
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 11:04 am
No, that's NOT Ok.

Bush has no connection with Haliburton.

Cheney resigned from Haliburton after helping to make it as successful as it is. I have yet to see any record of Cheney getting any money from Haliburton since becoming Vice President...or are you theorizing that some extended 10 year plan is in effect? Sound awful much like a conspiracy theory to me.

Haliburton...Nope.

Who's cheating American taxpayers? Haliburton? I believe that their internal auditing is taking care of things. Do you really believe that they will risk a multi-billion dollar contract for a few 100 thousand here and there? Honestly?
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 11:06 am
McGentrix wrote:
No, that's NOT Ok.

Bush has no connection with Haliburton.

Cheney resigned from Haliburton after helping to make it as successful as it is. I have yet to see any record of Cheney getting any money from Haliburton since becoming Vice President...or are you theorizing that some extended 10 year plan is in effect? Sound awful much like a conspiracy theory to me.

Haliburton...Nope.

Who's cheating American taxpayers? Haliburton? I believe that their internal auditing is taking care of things. Do you really believe that they will risk a multi-billion dollar contract for a few 100 thousand here and there? Honestly?


Where is your evidenciary proof? Your video? Audio? Links? Confessions? Tablets of Stone? Rolling Eyes Laughing
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 11:08 am
I am not the one making fallacious accustions. You are.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 12:10 pm
why do I feel like I need to draw a line in the sand on the playground so you can keep moving it?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 12:21 pm
Maybe you should feel more like backing up your aqccusations instead of changing the subject?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 12:30 pm
Could you, McG, or you Tarantulas, please explain these photos (especially in the context of the 'truth' in Iraq that needs to be broadcast)?

http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/wonk/CBS/60Min/60MinII.US.IraqiTortured.10.jpg

http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/wonk/CBS/60Min/60MinII.US.IraqiTortured.08.jpg

http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/wonk/CBS/60Min/60MinII.US.IraqiTortured.09.jpg

http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/wonk/CBS/60Min/60MinII.US.IraqiTortured.01.jpg
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 12:41 pm
bi-polar bear wrote:
I speak of the politicans who have partnered with them to privatize our government and will create and maintain war and conflict purposely in order to perpetuate their power and money base. These people exist on both sides of the war issue in abundance.


I am still waiting for this to be backed up.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 12:49 pm
PD, after all, it isn't like they are people, or anything....
Sad
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Tarantulas
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 01:01 pm
PDiddie wrote:
Could you, McG, or you Tarantulas, please explain these photos (especially in the context of the 'truth' in Iraq that needs to be broadcast)?

No I can't. Not without further information.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 01:05 pm
Here is your "context"
60 Minutes II
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 01:06 pm
If I had to venture a guess, I would say they are images of US soldiers allegedly abusing inmates at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.

Brigadier General Janis Karpinski is among seven officers being investigated because of these photos.

The army announced last month that 17 soldiers had been suspended over the allegations of abuse of prisoners.

Six of them - military police - are facing court martial.

CBS said an army investigation had concluded that Gen Karpinski's "lack of leadership and clear standards" led to problems in Abu Ghraib and three other prisons for which she was responsible.

The army has made no formal charges against her. She is the subject of an investigation that could result in a written reprimand, AFP news agency reported.

Read more about it here.

But, this distraction will not get BPB off the hook about his allegations.
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suzy
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 01:28 pm
That's disgusting! They're giving Americans a bad name. Shocked
It becomes clearer as time passes that some of the biggest winners of the war in Iraq are the corporations standing to profit from the multi-million dollar contracts doled out by the U.S. government for the reconstruction of the war-torn country and the extraction and management of its vast oil reserves.
Many of these highly prized contracts have been granted to well-connected corporations with personal ties to administration insiders, a history of mammoth campaign contributions and extensive lobbying clout. The secrecy, lack of competitive bidding and lack of cost accountability guarantees in many of the initial contracts is particularly troubling, given the questionable performance records of some of the contractors. Secrecy invites skepticism, and for good reason. It is behind closed doors that deals get made based on political favoritism instead of merit. Disclosure and transparency are essential to democracy.
http://www.citizenworks.org/corp/warcontracts/warcontracts.php

Here's the cost of a gallon of gas imported from Kuwait by three different organizations:
$2.64 Halliburton imported gas
$1.19 Pentagon imported gas
$.96 Iraqi imported gas

Of Halliburton's $2.64/gal, $1.17 is the price they pay in Kuwait, $1.21 is the cost of Halliburton transport, and $.26 is Halliburton's explicit markup. This is just a tiny example of the cost of oil and defense companies owning the White House.

The White House and the House Republicans took out a section of a bill that would have imposed stiff penalties for war profiteering. With one-party rule in Washington, there will be no oversight (and no penalties)would have subjected those who deliberately defrauded the United States or Iraq to jail terms of up to 20 years and costly fines.
http://www.thehill.com/news/110503/profiteering.aspx

The Army Corps of Engineers told Representative Henry Waxman that a
Pentagon contract awarded without competition to Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR) to fight oilwell fires is worth as much as $7 billion over two years. The Halliburton subsidiary has been authorized to take profits of up to $490 million.
When he heard rumors of such profiteering, Truman got into his Dodge and, during a Congressional recess, drove 30,000 miles paying unannounced visits to corporate offices and worksites. The Senate committee he chaired launched aggressive investigations into shady wartime business practices and found "waste, inefficiency, mismanagement and profiteering," according to Truman, who argued that such behavior was unpatriotic.
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030512&s=editors

It's not just contractors who have managed to game the system, however. Members of Congress have long been eager enablers of the binge drinking that often passes for government spending in Washington-especially when they can ensure that lots of that spending happens back in their home states and districts. The larding of pork into legislation is a time-honored tradition. But what has dismayed pork-watchers is how even after September 11 lawmakers, lobbyists, and government contractors continue to use the defense budget for all kinds of new spending schemes.
http://www.d-n-i.net/war_profiteering/13boeing.htmWar profiteering
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Tarantulas
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 01:42 pm
Oh that's right. Bi-Polar Bear said:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Boeing and Lockheed as examples are not the war profiteers of which I speak. I speak of the politicans who have partnered with them to privatize our government and will create and maintain war and conflict purposely in order to perpetuate their power and money base. These people exist on both sides of the war issue in abundance.

Like our penguin trying to find God knows what, the folks with a giant hard on for war in other words.

And then wouldn't back it up with references and sources.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 02:16 pm
I think we should give all those reconstruction projects to France. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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suzy
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 02:18 pm
yeah, I think that's how the original decision was made; without much thought.
Wink
Into French-bashing, are you?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 02:23 pm
Well, I had to lay off the Aussies. Wink
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