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Benghazi, Putin. How's Obama doing?

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parados
 
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Reply Wed 19 Mar, 2014 09:58 am
@coldjoint,
The Pink Prevaricator wrote:


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Claiming the fifth is not an admission of guilt.

You are a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

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Who was silenced, and how was that done?

So then Bush, Cheney and Libbey were all guilty when Fleischer pled the 5th, right?

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Fleischer, during the subsequent criminal investigation, took the Fifth Amendment


And I suppose Bush is 6 times as guilty as Obama because he invoked executive privilege 6 times to Obama's once.
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George W. Bush administration

The Bush administration invoked executive privilege on six occasions.

The Pink Prevaricator wrote:

Who knows, they were silenced.
Leave it to you to declare lack of evidence is evidence.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 19 Mar, 2014 11:24 am
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And I suppose Bush is 6 times as guilty as Obama because he invoked executive privilege 6 times to Obama's once.


Bush invoked that privilege for national security. Obama invoked it to cover Holders ass. Also Bush is not the president anymore. We are talking about Obama. Why change the subject?
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Leave it to you to declare lack of evidence is evidence.

And leave to you to say intimidation and hiding evidence is not an indication of guilt.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 19 Mar, 2014 03:28 pm
@coldjoint,
The Pink Prevaricator wrote:



Bush invoked that privilege for national security. Obama invoked it to cover Holders ass. Also Bush is not the president anymore. We are talking about Obama. Why change the subject?


No, national security is not a reason to invoke executive privilege. National security only requires that the proper security clearance is needed to see something. Many in Congress have the highest clearance.

Bush invoked it when Congress raised questions about the prosecutors fired for political reasons. Bush invoked it to hide documents about the death of Pat Tilman. Bush invoked it to hide what was talked about in meetings of Cheney and Oil executives in the WH. Bush invoked it to cover Karl Rove's ass and Harriet Miers' ass and Joshua Bolton's ass and Dick Cheney's ass and Sara Taylor's ass.

The Pink Prevaricator wrote:

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Leave it to you to declare lack of evidence is evidence.

And leave to you to say intimidation and hiding evidence is not an indication of guilt.

So then your argument is Bush was guilty in the death of Pat Tilman and Bush is guilty of conspiring with oil executives to raise oil prices and Bush fired prosecutors illegally for political reasons? Or is hiding evidence not an indication of guilt when you feel it isn't?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 19 Mar, 2014 03:43 pm
@parados,
Again Bush is not president.You are defending Obamas actions with what you determine to be criminal. Two wrongs make a right. That is disingenuous, but very shill like.

Try again. It is Obama that is covering up crimes. Bush is history.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 02:02 pm
@coldjoint,
The Pink Prevaricator wrote:

Again Bush is not president.You are defending Obamas actions with what you determine to be criminal. Two wrongs make a right. That is disingenuous, but very shill like.

Try again. It is Obama that is covering up crimes. Bush is history.

I never said what Bush did was criminal. I have the same standard for Bush as I do for Obama. A President can use executive privilege and it doesn't make him a criminal. You on the other hand seem to have a political agenda based on who is President.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 02:09 pm
@parados,
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You on the other hand seem to have a political agenda based on who is President.

As you do. And I don't consider Obama a good, not even a bad president, I consider him the worst. If you wish to call that political you go right ahead.

parados
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 02:16 pm
@coldjoint,
The Pink Prevaricator wrote:

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You on the other hand seem to have a political agenda based on who is President.

As you do. And I don't consider Obama a good, not even a bad president, I consider him the worst. If you wish to call that political you go right ahead.


If that is the case, the kindly point out where i have a different standard. You will find I have treated both the same on issues.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 02:33 pm
@parados,

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If that is the case, the kindly point out where i have a different standard. You will find I have treated both the same on issues.


I don't care how you treat presidents. We only have one at a time.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2014 01:27 pm
@coldjoint,
The Pink Prevaricator wrote:




I don't care how you treat presidents. We only have one at a time.


Of course we only have one. I don't spend my time wishing, desiring, demanding that the one we have isn't really the one we have or should have.

You somehow think you can wish a President away by claiming all kinds of untrue crap while ignoring that you wouldn't give a damn if the President was someone white and GOP and doing the exact same things or worse. Your acts here show how small minded you really are. Your refusal to examine your statements in light of other Presidents only confirms how small minded you are.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2014 01:32 pm
@parados,
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President away by claiming all kinds of untrue crap


None of it is untrue. He is a weak leader, he is a proven liar, and his economics is ruining this country. Which I think was his plan from the get go.

You keep propping the asshole up if you must. but do not even tell me what is true or not.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2014 01:42 pm
@coldjoint,
The Pink Prevaricator wrote:
None of it is untrue. He is a weak leader, he is a proven liar, and his economics is ruining this country.


It's merely your opinion that he is a weak leader. He was clearly strong enough to be elected twice which would be the truth.

Every politician is a proven liar so that hardly makes him different. It makes him the same as every human being that has ever lived. We all lie. So what.

As to his economics ruining the country, you seem to be living in a completely different country from the one I live in. GDP is up quite a bit. Unemployment is down. The number of millionaires has gone up. Economically we are doing just fine. There is no truth to your claim that we are being ruined economically.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2014 01:49 pm
@parados,

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It's merely your opinion that he is a weak leader. He was clearly strong enough to be elected twice which would be the truth.


He clearly gave away enough to be elected twice.

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Economically we are doing just fine


Are you serious? Ask some young people now slaves for all intents and purposes to our debt. And that asshole keeps spending more.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2014 05:34 pm
@coldjoint,
The Pink Prevaricator wrote:


He clearly gave away enough to be elected twice.

Can you be specific rather then your usual claim without evidence?
Clearly he was strong enough to be elected twice. There is no other argument or excuse from you that can negate that.


The Pink Prevaricator wrote:

Are you serious? Ask some young people now slaves for all intents and purposes to our debt. And that asshole keeps spending more.
Several points here TPP. The House of Representatives does the spending bills. Blaming Obama alone is rather silly since the GOP clearly is responsible for writing the legislation that spends the money.

Our current deficits are going down. They are half of what they were when Bush left office.

Over half of the US deficit this fiscal year is interest on the debt most of which was created before Obama became President.
US deficit - 2013 - $680 billion
US interest on debt 2013 $415 billion

The good news is the interest on the debt is actually less this year than it was in 2008.
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm

The young people aren't slaves. The debt as a percentage of GDP is going down.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/usgs_line.php?title=US%20Federal%20Debt&units=p&size=m&year=1900_2019&sname=US&bar=0&stack=1&col=c&legend=&source=a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_e_e_e_e_e_e&spending0=10.29_9.53_8.89_8.41_8.73_7.83_7.46_7.19_8.63_8.11_7.86_7.98_7.60_7.38_7.91_7.83_7.20_9.49_19.06_34.63_29.08_32.26_30.97_25.92_24.21_22.43_20.07_19.19_17.91_16.19_17.55_21.71_32.75_39.40_40.50_38.63_39.79_39.17_42.52_43.25_49.27_44.46_47.71_70.24_90.86_113.99_118.96_102.90_91.71_92.60_85.56_73.51_70.46_68.25_69.24_64.38_60.58_57.33_58.02_55.02_53.47_51.95_50.06_48.59_46.09_43.34_40.31_39.51_39.12_35.86_35.40_34.95_33.99_32.64_31.24_32.09_33.50_33.86_32.95_31.51_31.76_30.98_34.00_37.70_38.72_41.81_46.20_48.17_49.52_50.69_53.62_58.28_61.20_63.25_63.53_64.20_63.97_62.37_60.27_57.99_54.70_54.30_56.45_58.72_59.91_60.37_60.99_61.81_67.84_82.37_90.44_95.05_98.81_99.54_103.23_102.71_101.73_100.31_98.80_97.63
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2014 06:16 pm
Where did lash get to?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 04:31 pm
@JTT,
Apparently she has a life.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 04:42 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I know that, Finn. She is engaged in brainwashing another generation of American kids.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 06:53 pm
@JTT,
That must be it.

You really work hard to be a twit, don't you?
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 06:58 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
She parades it on these pages.

She was an English grammar teacher and yet she knows nothing about the subject.

She doesn't have a clue about USA history and she, like you, shows no desire to learn, but now that's what she's "teaching".
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 07:04 pm
@JTT,
Sez you.

That her understanding of American history doesn't conform with yours isn't even remotely a valid criticism of her.

But you're right to the extent that I have no desire to learn the crap that you are teaching.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 07:39 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn: That her understanding of American history doesn't conform with yours isn't even remotely a valid criticism of her.
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Well, at least we agree she knows squat about English grammar.

If she had the knowledge you think she has she obviously would be able to crush "my" view of USA history.

If you took out lash's name on her PMs to me and stuck in yours, Finn, there would be no difference. The memes are exactly the same. Take out Lash/Finn and put in CI - same thing, shoot the messenger, shoot the messenger.

You frequently chastise others about their inability to squarely face the truth. And yet you both, and many others, are scared shitless of addressing the myriad factual descriptions of what the USA really is.
 

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