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Congratulations, House Republicans!

 
 
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 09:37 am
And actually those mandates azre the part of the ACA that have always garnered the most support, even among those who didn't like the ACA as a whole, because they restrict or ban those things, like recissions, and denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions, that pissed a lot of people off about health insurance companies before.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 09:38 am
@MontereyJack,
The point wasn't for people like me to move to the ACA, that was never the intention. It was meant to enroll people who didn't have insurance and get them covered. That is part of the question when it comes to the enrollment of the ACA, it was meant for people with no insurance. So now we will need to find out how many of the 6 million people who have signed up, didn't have insurance and how many had their plans cancelled due to the ACA and signed up in the ACA.

MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 09:42 am
That was ONE point of the ACA, but by no means the only one. It was also to provide good quality insurance for everyone.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 09:48 am
@MontereyJack,
It was the major point! In the months leading up to the vote on the ACA, all we heard about were the 40 million people without insurance and we had to do something about it. Now that the ACA is in effect the rules have changed. The deadlines have changed and the reasons for the ACA have changed. Revisionist history is all I hear now a days.

"If you like your insurance you can keep it." Remember that? Millions lost their insurance due to a lie.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 10:02 am
@Baldimo,
As it is with every issue you approach, Baldimo, your delusionary bubble keeps you from looking at the whole picture. You are so invested in maintaining the delusions you don't want to hear the facts.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 11:35 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

The question remains, when are my costs going to go down? My premiums are already $200 higher from last year. When are we going to see the $2400 savings?

Because your premiums didn't go up $400 it looks like you saved $2400 this year.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 11:44 am
@parados,
Baldimo seems to believe that he's the prime example of how ACA works. Ignorance knows no bounds. It's to help the majority of our citizens get health insurance at affordable prices without the restrictions of the past created by insurance companies that denied coverage for preexisting conditions, and limits of coverage.

From Wiki.
Quote:
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA),[1][2] commonly called the Affordable Care Act (ACA) or "Obamacare",[3] is a United States federal statute signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. Together with the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act,[4] it represents the most significant regulatory overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system since the passage of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965.[5]
The ACA was enacted with the goals of increasing the quality and affordability of health insurance, lowering the uninsured rate by expanding public and private insurance coverage, and reducing the costs of healthcare for individuals and the government. It introduced a number of mechanisms—including mandates, subsidies, and insurance exchanges—meant to increase coverage and affordability.[6][7] The law also requires insurance companies to cover all applicants within new minimum standards and offer the same rates regardless of pre-existing conditions or sex.[8] Additional reforms aimed to reduce costs and improve healthcare outcomes by shifting the system towards quality over quantity through increased competition, regulation, and incentives to streamline the delivery of healthcare. The Congressional Budget Office projected that the ACA will lower both future deficits[9] and Medicare spending.[10]
On June 28, 2012, the United States Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the ACA's individual mandate as an exercise of Congress's taxing power[11] in the case National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius. However, the Court held that states cannot be forced to participate in the ACA's Medicaid expansion under penalty of losing their current Medicaid funding.[12][13][14] Since the ruling, the law and its implementation have continued to face challenges in Congress and federal courts, and from certain state governments, conservative advocacy groups, and some small business organizations.[15]


Some GOP governors have opted out of ACA that only affects the citizens of their state; a) loss of federal subsidies to cover most of the cost, and b) makes it impossible for many to get health insurance.

Baldimo will never understand the 'big' picture, because he only thinks about himself.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 11:53 am
@cicerone imposter,
Ci: Baldimo will never understand the 'big' picture, because he only thinks about himself.
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A tad hypocritical , CI. It's first nature for the vast majority of USians to think about themselves. Such is your self absorption.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 12:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Baldimo will never understand the 'big' picture, because he only thinks about himself.


No, what he thinks about is his responsibility to take care of himself, not depend on others. Others who only wish to manipulate those they supposedly help into Democratic votes. And after that the opportunity for more control until it is too late to salvage anything that made this country great.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 01:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Do you know why I only think of myself? Because no one else is looking out for me that's why. None of the policies you or the left talk about have any postitive benefit for me. So of course I only think of myself. You don't care about me, so I have to do it myself.

If the govt was thinking of me and my family, they wouldn't have made a law that almost doubled my insurance costs.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 04:42 pm
Baldimo says:
Quote:
If the govt was thinking of me and my family, they wouldn't have made a law that almost doubled my insurance costs.

A law that you refuse to check out to see if in fact it does raise your rates. Your approach seems to be "I don't know and I don't care to know and I won't check it out and actually see, I'd rather complain, nyah, nyah, nyah". Which is what those women the GOP brought up as supposed examples didn't do too. When other people actually ran their cases thru Obamacar, which the women refused to do, the women would have ended up saving money. You're talking from ignorance of whast Obamacare might actually do for you, Baldimo.

If your insurance company raised rates that much, it's pretty sure that the plan they were offering before was a pretty shitty plan, and you'd have been extraordinarily displeased if you ever actually had to use it.
If your cable company all suddenly doubled your cable bill, would you just complain about it on a2k, or WOULD YOU SHOP AROUND TO SEE IF SOMEONE ELSE WAS OFFERING A BETTER DEAL? Same principle. .
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 04:46 pm
JTT says:
Quote:
A tad hypocritical , CI. It's first nature for the vast majority of USians to think about themselves. Such is your self absorption


A tad hypocritical yourself, JTT. It's first nature for EVERYBODY, all six and a half billions to think of themselves first.. Such is the human race's self-absorption. We're no different than anyone else now alive (or dead, for that matter, over the last four million years).
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 04:55 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
Do you know why I only think of myself?
Because no one else is looking out for me that's why.
None of the policies you or the left talk about have any postitive benefit for me.
So of course I only think of myself. You don't care about me, so I have to do it myself.

If the govt was thinking of me and my family, they wouldn't have made a law
that almost doubled my insurance costs.
FOR THE RECORD:
It has usually been MY practice to think of myself most of the time
no matter what ANYONE is thinking about !

EVERYONE shud do that.





David
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 05:06 pm
@Baldimo,
you're wrong. It most definitely was meant to save EVERYBODY money. Ever since insurance first began as an industry its always wanted a risk pool of every body. All ACA has done is give insurance companies wanted. There are also provisions for those who are insure to be reimbursed from insurance companies that spend than 80% of premiums to return that money back to you guys. Look close at ACA. What you don't know might be costing you big bucks!!!!!!

In ten years we'll all be on single payer and trust me as a TriCare recipient, I LOVE it.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 05:10 pm
@Baldimo,
Jeez Baldino, I just do not believe this. I am truely sorry for the pains from your current situation. All I can tell you is check out the ACA before you write it off. It kinda sounds to me that you are exactly the person ACA was made for.

You have my prayers.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 05:20 pm
@MontereyJack,
Thanks Monterey Jack, but I just ignore JTT. He contributes nothing to a2k, and only wastes cyberspace with his hate mongering.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 05:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Thanks Monterey Jack, but I just ignore JTT.


JTT is the lucky one there.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 07:08 pm
@MontereyJack,
Another dandy example of USian self absorption, MJ.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 07:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
And a good day to you, CI, you little dipshit coward.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2014 08:22 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/enrollment-under-the-affordable-care-act-on-track-to-reach-7-million/2014/04/01/1f6b8b96-b99b-11e3-9a05-c739f29ccb08_story.html

More than 7 million have enrolled under Affordable Care Act, White House says​

Video: President Obama announced Tuesday that 7.1 million Americans enrolled in health insurance programs under the Affordable Care Act, showing "the debate over repealing this law is over."

By Amy Goldstein and Juliet Eilperin, Updated: Tuesday, April 1, 9:15 PM E-mail the writers

President Obama announced Tuesday that 7.1 million Americans have signed up for health plans under the Affordable Care Act, the most ambitious federal effort in nearly half a century to widen access to coverage.
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The tally, which signified a sharp turnaround from the troubled beginnings of enrollment last fall, was driven upward by a late rush of consumers seeking coverage in the days and hours before the deadline of midnight Monday to select health plans for 2014.

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At the daily briefing on Tuesday, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said 7.041 million Americans had signed up for health insurance through the Affordable Care Act by midnight of the night before.

At the daily briefing on Tuesday, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said 7.041 million Americans had signed up for health insurance through the Affordable Care Act by midnight of the night before.

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Even after the official cutoff, more than 100,000 people at a time were on HealthCare.gov, the online federal insurance marketplace, into the early morning hours, according to a person familiar with the details of the last-minute surge. People who have started to enroll on the federal exchange, as well as on some state exchanges, have a grace period to finish their applications.

“This law is doing what’s it’s supposed to do,” a buoyant Obama said in late-afternoon remarks in the White House Rose Garden. “It’s working. It’s helping people from coast to coast.”

The 7.1 million total means that the six-month sign-up period achieved results that congressional budget analysts had first anticipated — and more recently had thought would be impossible. Two months ago, the analysts downgraded their forecast from 7 million to 6 million, taking into account massive computer trouble with HealthCare.gov for much of the fall that frustrated many people trying to shop for health plans.

The tally is based on the number of people who enrolled for coverage by Monday’s deadline through the new federal insurance marketplace operating in three dozen states. It also includes people who enrolled in 14 state-run marketplaces as of the deadline or, in the case of a few states, by last weekend.

As surprise about the high total rippled among the Obama administration’s friends and foes alike, they agreed that the law had met the threshold test of whether it could attract large numbers to federal and state-run insurance marketplaces.

The last-minute enrollment had several causes: Eagerness by some people to gain affordable health benefits. Wariness of running afoul of the first federal law requiring most Americans to be insured. Campaign-like techniques that the administration employed, especially since January, to urge people to sign up.

“It’s an amazing achievement,” said Chris Jennings, who helped direct the White House’s implementation of the law until he returned to the private sector a few months ago.

Republicans, who have not relinquished their crusade to dismantle the 2010 legislation, were praising but more skeptical. “At some level you have to take your hat off and say congratulations,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, president of the American Action Forum and a former director of the Congressional Budget Office. But he was quick to add, “It’s an interim accomplishment at best.”

Health policy experts said that the long-term significance of the high enrollment numbers for this first year of insurance will take time to clarify. “There is still a lot of haze around this,” said Jonathan Oberlander, a professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill who studies health-care politics.

Oberlander and others noted that the number of people who have gotten coverage varies significantly by state. In addition, uncertainty lingers about how many people who have signed up have actually begun to pay for their new health plans, how many will continue to pay for them, and how many of the enrollees had no insurance before.

Even in what was essentially a victory announcement, Obama sounded cognizant of the political minefield still surrounding the law, presenting anew a justification for its existence. “But the bottom line is this: Under this law, the share of Americans with insurance is up and the growth of health-care costs is down, and that’s good for our middle class and that’s good for our fiscal future,” he said, with Vice President Biden at his side. “And there’s no good reason to go back.”

Senior administration officials said the fact that a large number of Americans signed up by the deadline will make it easier to defend the law on the campaign trail this year.

Several Democratic senators are running for reelection in states where the GOP is trying to fan opposition to the law. One of the most vulnerable, Sen. Mary Landrieu (La.), hailed Tuesday’s news. “Today’s enrollment announcement confirms what I have said since day one — the Affordable Care Act holds great promise and is getting stronger every day,” she said in a statement.

The late enrollment boom suggests that the administration’s outreach effort was effective, even though it started essentially two months late while problems with HealthCare.gov were being worked on. Officials relied on many of the same campaign tactics , including social media and regional talk radio, that Obama’s aides used two years ago — this time, their goal was to bring young people, Latinos and African Americans into the nation’s health-care system.

The administration worked closely with allied groups — including Enroll America, the Service Employees International Union and Planned Parenthood — to sign up consumers in 25 cities, including Atlanta, Dallas and Miami, that have high numbers of uninsured and are in states that relied on the federal exchange instead of creating their own.

Just as people rushed to the federal health insurance exchange Monday, states faced their own deluge. Web page views on California’s health exchange were four times as many as its second-busiest day. Like the federal government, California and a few other states are giving those who started the process extra time to pick a plan.

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