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Congratulations, House Republicans!

 
 
Wilso
 
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Reply Sun 16 Mar, 2014 11:16 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
If you bury your head in agitprop you don't need to see facts--right ColdDope?


Really? How is the view from your ass?



No facts, but hate fuelled drivel.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2014 06:12 am
@Wilso,
Quote:
Those who are opposed to "Obamacare"? I certainly don't know the details. But millions of Americans had no medical cover at all. Do any of you actually have an alternative?


Yes.

The country does need medical reform, but not Obungacare.

The size of obungacare indicates to me that it is about power and not about health care. Likewise Mark Steyn notes that the job of director or head of public health has become the biggest govt. job in European countries which have public health care i.e. it would be a step upwards from PM or President or King or Grand Duke or anything else to head of health care. In other words, European health care is ultimate bureaucracy. If I had the power to I would institute a sort of a basic health care reform which would be overwhelmingly simple and which would resemble the thing we're reading about in no way, shape, or manner. Key points would be:

1. Elimination of lawsuits against doctors and other medical providers. There would be a general fund to compensate victims of malpractice for actual damage and a non-inbred system for weeding out those guilty of malpractice. The non-inbred system would be a tribunal composed not just of oher doctors, but of plumbers, electricians, engineers, and everybody else as well.

2. Elimination of the artificial exclusivity of the medical system. In other words our medical schools could easily produce two or three times the number of doctors they do with no noticeable drop off in quality.

3. Elimination of the factors which drive the cost of medicines towards unaffordability. That would include both lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies and government agencies which force costs into the billions to develop any new drug. There should be no suing a pharmaceutical for any drug which has passed FDA approval and somewhere between thalidamide and what we have now, there should be a happy medium.

4. Elimination of the outmoded WW-II notion of triage in favor of a system which took some rational account of who pays for the system and who doesn't. The horror stories I keep reading about the middle-class guy with an injured child having to fill out forms for three hours while an endless procession of illegal immigrants just walks in and are seen, would end, as would any possibility of that child waiting three hours for treatment while people were being seen for heroin overdoses or other lifestyle issues.

All of those things would fall under the heading of what TR called "trust busting". There would also be some system for caring the truly indigent, but the need and cost would be far less than at present.

By far the biggest item is that first one. I don't know the exact numbers but if you add every cost involved in our present out-of-control lawyering, it has to be a major fraction if not more than half of our medical costs. The trial lawyers' guild being one of the two major pillars of financial support for the democrat party is the basic reason nobody is saying anything about that part of the problem.

Other than that, you almost have to have seen some of the problems close up to have any sort of a feel for them.

Item 2, this is what I saw in grad school some time ago, although I do not have any reason to think much has changed. In the school I attended, there appeared to be sixty or seventy first year med students walking around and all but one or two of them would have made perfectly good doctors, they were all very bright and highly motivated. The only way the school should have lost any of those kids was either they discovered they couldn't deal with the sight of blood in real life or six months later they changed their minds and went off to Hollywood to become actors or actresses; the school should never have lost more than ten percent of them. But they knew from day one that they were keeping 35% of that class.

That system says that you know several things about the guy working on your body: You know he's a survivor, and that's highly unlikely to be from being better qualified than 65% of the other students; You know he hasn't had enough sleep (he's doing his work and the work of that missing 65%); You know he's probably doing some sort of drugs to deal with the lack of sleep... One of my first steps as "health Tsar" or whatever would be to tell the medical schools that henceforth if they ever drop more than15% of an incoming class, they'll lose their accreditation.

Item 3. My father walks into a pharmacy in Switzerland with a bottle of pills he normally pays $50 for in Fla. and asks the pharmacist if he can fill it. "Why certainly sir!", fills the bottle of pills and says "That will be $3.50." Seeing that my father was standing there in a state of shock, the man says "Gee, I'm sorry, Mr. V., you see, we have socialized medicine in Switzerland and if you were a Swiss citizen and paid into the systemn, why I could sell you this bottle of pills for $1.50 but, since you're foreign and do not pay into the system I have to charge you the full price, certainly you can appreciate that."

The guy thought my father was in shock because he was charging him too MUCH... Clearly whatever needs to be done with drugs amounts to trust busting, and not extracting more money from the American people.

Item 4. A caller to the Chris Plant show (D.C./WMAL) the other morning, an ER nurse, noted that much of the costs which her hospital had to absorb, as do most hospitals, was the problem of people with no resources using the ER as their first and only point of contact to the medical profession. She said that there were gang members who were constantly coming in for repairs from bullet holes and knife damage and drug problems, that they could not legally turn any of those people away, and that there was zero possibility of ever collecting any money from any of them, and that the costs of that were gigantic.

Clearly throwing money at that problems is not going to help anything either. Again if I'm the "Medicine Tsar", those guys would be cared for, but not at the ER or at least not the part of the ER where normal people go, and they would not be first in line. Mostly they'd be dealing with medical students who needed the practice patching up knife and bullet damage.

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parados
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2014 07:21 am
@coldjoint,
That is funny. The author claims we can't know until she gets the policy because it must be very likely the policy would violate the law.

By the way, BCBS has already stated the 'one drug' is covered under her policy but who you gonna believe, the insurance company that will pay the bill or a RW blogger?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2014 09:47 am
@parados,
Quote:
That is funny. The author claims we can't know until she gets the policy because it must be very likely the policy would violate the law.


That is the point. The new law has screwed up what she had and liked. And does not cover her like she was. Have another stupid pill.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2014 09:50 am
@Wilso,
Quote:
No facts, but hate fuelled drivel.


Oh,now it is hate filled? Give it up. Your name calling and buzzwords mean zero.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2014 11:44 am
@coldjoint,
The Pink Prevaricator wrote:

Quote:
That is funny. The author claims we can't know until she gets the policy because it must be very likely the policy would violate the law.


That is the point. The new law has screwed up what she had and liked. And does not cover her like she was. Have another stupid pill.

It takes a certain kind of stupid to love getting screwed over. What she had was worse than what she has now.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2014 11:50 am
@parados,
Quote:
It takes a certain kind of stupid to love getting screwed over. What she had was worse than what she has now.


No it wasn't. And I don't think she has different insurance yet. Your lies are catching up with you.
raprap
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2014 02:36 pm
@coldjoint,
Apparently ColdDope' s lies has already caught up with him, but ColdDope is too dim to realize that fact.

Rap
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2014 02:38 pm
@raprap,
Quote:
Apparently

Apparently saying anything relevant has passed you by. Guess I have to put you on ignore. Adios troll.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2014 05:42 pm
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2014/140317-wingnuts-of-the-weekend-racism-edition.jpg
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2014 07:06 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
You mean race baiting edition.
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raprap
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2014 07:34 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Sad to say Nixon's Southern Strategy Worked---racism and bigotry have become Teapublican policy.

Rap
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2014 07:38 pm
@raprap,
BE sad, if u wanna be.

Maybe next u will wanna abridge the rights of the voters.
raprap
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2014 08:00 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Not at all David--let the Teapublicans speak---Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt.

Add these four fools to the rest---let the Wasilla Quitter speak, let the Texan Cruizer and his dad continue with their mastications, long live the anti-scientists, Gawd wrote the Constitution.

I only hope that when they finally destroy the GOP the Teapublicans realize they've been the corpocracies running dogs. I hope when this happens it isn't too late for our children.

You know as well as I that DeTouqueville predicted what causes the demise of democracy. This is another rough spot.

Rap
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2014 08:35 pm
@raprap,
There is no harm to anyone in personal name calling ("Wasilla Quitter" etc.),
but in the same breath to denounce FOOLISHNESS, rings hollow.


Yes; he predicted that the poor woud use democracy as a weapon
to rob the financially successful.
raprap
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2014 09:30 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Mea Culpa David---

I once was forced to take political science--as a Math/Engineering Major I didn't give this subject much chance---but the Prof was an attorney who didn't want to practice law. It was a small class full of novice wanna be attorneys and we spent our time with democracy, the art of war, machinations of politics.

All I had in my corner was one of the members of my Math/Chemistry study groups.

What I carried away from this class were these three rules of politics--and being a numbers and stable structure kind of guy--I like stable systems with few rules.

1) The problem with politicians is that it takes time for them to learn that politics is compromise.

2) The problem with dim-witted politicians is that they never learn that politics is compromise.

3) War is the failure of Politics.

I also got an easy A.

Rap
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 18 Mar, 2014 07:37 am

0. Explain this wingnuts; VT rated as one of the worst states to do business in: Unemployment 4%

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Unemployment fell again in Vermont. And even in the depths of the great recession, it never rose very far. Virtually every business organization says that Vermont is one of the worst places to own in business in, one of the worst places to start a business in and one of worst states for high business taxes and onerous state regulations. They claim all that leads to high unemployment. VT doesn't have gas or oil or any valuable minerals. It has a harsh and unforgiving climate. What it does have and has had for quite some time, is liberals leading state government- even when we had a republican gov for years, we largely had a veto proof dem legislature. What it does have are strict environmental laws, which have kept the state not only fairly healthy, but beautiful with a working landscape. What it does have, are a big chunk of people who have started business with a different ethos and model from the typical American one that is almost solely about profit:

So how come Vermont, if it's just so damned awful a place for business, also has one of the highest rates of people starting business? It has home grown companies like Burton, Green Mountain Coffee/Keurig, Ben and Jerry's, Jasper Hill, Seventh Generation, Gardener's Supply and high tech industries like Dealer.com, MyWebGrocer and BioTek Instruments. No, these aren't megacorporations, but they provide actual good employment,

So business organizations continue to lie their asses off. Doesn't seem to be hurting Vermont much.

GARDENER'S SUPPLY has long been a socially responsible business, which we've expressed by supporting employee volunteerism, sourcing sustainable products and donating 8 percent of our profits back to the community. To solidify our commitment, we have become a certified B Corp, a relatively new corporate designation that combines bottom-line profits and social responsibility.

What's in the name? The B is for benefit, and it's Corp as in corporation. As a B Corp – benefit corporation – we believe that business can be a source for good by serving shareholders and society. How a company serves society can take many forms, including environmental stewardship, service to those in need, sustainability and more. Like other companies with B Corp certification, we are change-makers that use the power of business to solve social and environmental problems.

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http://www.gardeners.com/B-Corporation/8587,default,pg.html

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It’s hard to think of any two states more different than Texas and Vermont. For one, Texas has gushers of oil and gas, while Vermont has, well, maple syrup. As early as the 1940s, Texas surpassed Vermont in per capita income. Vermont had virtually nothing going for it—no energy resources except firewood, no industry except some struggling paper mills and failing dairies. By 1981, per capita income in Vermont had fallen to 17 percent below that of Texas. That year, the state’s largest city elected a self-described “democratic socialist,” Bernie Sanders, to be its mayor. Vermont, it might seem, was on the road to serfdom and inevitable failure.

But then a great reversal in the relative prosperity of the two states happened, as little Vermont started getting richer faster than big Texas. By 2001, Texas lost its lead over Vermont in per capita income. By 2012, despite its oil and gas boom and impressive job creation numbers, Texas was 4.3 percent poorer than Vermont in per capita income.

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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_may_2014/features/oops_the_texas_miracle_that_is049289.php?page=all


http://taxfoundation.org/article/2014-state-business-tax-climate-index

http://www.bobthegreenguy.com/politics/the-ten-worst-states-for-business/
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 18 Mar, 2014 08:19 am
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 18 Mar, 2014 09:58 am
@raprap,
raprap wrote:
2) The problem with dim-witted politicians
is that they never learn that politics is compromise.
I 'd rather vote for a representative who will STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT,
not progressively dilute it with compromise.
U compromise. After the 2nd compromise, u 've lost 75% of what u had.
Meaning no disrespect: that is the philosophy of a loser.

I think that the Reichstag shud have voted against
Jews being forced to wear stars; not that thay must
wear them 3 days a week.

If there is a bill in a legislature to return blacks to slavery,
I think that the 13th Amendment shud be conservatively enforced, NOT
that the blacks be mandated back into slavery one day a week, as a COMPROMISE. Disagree??



If u have a yard-sale, Rap, its OK to negotiate and to COMPROMISE
on the price of an old lamp, but not if a customer wants to buy a nite with your daughter, or your mom.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 18 Mar, 2014 04:06 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
U compromise. After the 2nd compromise, u 've lost 75% of what u had.
Meaning no disrespect: that is the philosophy of a loser.


Yes it is, but look who you are replying to.
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