@Lordyaswas,
Now we've sorted out the world from our respective armchairs, I'm off down the caff to indulge in a full english.
Funny/snide comebacks welcome. When I read them on a full belly, I won't mind a bit.
@Finn dAbuzz,
So typical of your monochromatic thinking, anyone who doesn't agree with your tub thumping is a Soviet apologist. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the arse.
Try some realpolitik for a change. A significant number of Ukraine's population are Russian speaking. That's a fact. Any accommodation needs to take all the Ukrainians into account, unless you're talking ethnic cleansing, which is something I wouldn't put past you.
Just for once try living in the World as it is, and not some fantasy dreamed up by pundits on Fox News.
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
Out of curiosity, how many countries do you think the United States should be controlling? I would think that the ill conceived decision to go after imaginary weapons in Iraq which in turn redirected efforts in Afganistan having been such a raging success, would make wise people review all the available options.
Exactly, 'Dubya' pissed away all of America's goodwill generated by 9/11 on an ill conceived, poorly planned, and ultimately disastrous invasion of Iraq. There is no way America will ever again be able to cobble together a coalition of the willing on another pointless military adventure. The vote in the Commons ruling out British involvement in Syria is 'Dubya's' legacy. Finn needs to stop living in the past and accept America's standing. Sending American troops to their deaths just to force a bunch of Russian speakers to remain Ukrainian may inflate his bank balance, but it wouldn't do anyone else any good, least not the ordinary Ukrainians.
Finn only cares about getting his snout in the trough which is why everything he says should be treated with a pinch of salt.
@izzythepush,
izzythepush's source wrote:Russia is also angry at the changes, but Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said Moscow will not intervene.
I hope this is true. No one in the west can really do anything effective in the Ukraine, other than to provide loans or loan guarantees. The people of the Ukraine need to work this out themselves, without outside interference. Russia is really the only player who can intervene. They need to stand aside.
@Setanta,
In Sevastopol, a pro-Russian mayor has been installed. That will enlarge separatist sentiments.
Ukraine crisis fuels secession calls in pro-Russian south
@Walter Hinteler,
That's more like the policy Russia pursued with regard to Georgia. Abkhazia and Ossetia declared their independence, and Russia provided material support and even military intervention. Sort of a "if i can't have it, you won't either" policy.
@Setanta,
Could be that the next three chess moves will result in some sort of long term lease (to give it a harmless sounding title) of Crimea, so that it becomes part of Russia in all but name.
It would certainly go a long way to solving the Black Sea Fleet situation.
Maybe they could pay for the 'rent' on the lease by way of cheap gas.
Everyone could be a winner if they all keep cool.
@Lordyaswas,
Yes, let's hope they all do.
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn: There is no justification for Russia to invade the Ukraine, any more than there was for it to invade Georgia.
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The hypocrisy has to be like water off a duck's back, right, Finn? A USian can't open their mouth without spouting hypocrisy.
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn: sorry, but this Kyiv spelling is just pretentious crap
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Pretentious crap, from our historian, Setanta. Surely you jest, Finn.
@hawkeye10,
Hawk: Super, but getting rid of a corrupt leader must be done under the orders set by the Constitution. Was it here?
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Has it ever worked in the USA, Hawk?
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn: you obviously have a dead spot in your brain as respects history
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Good dog, Finn, the hypocrisy!! And you are hardly the only one.
@Setanta,
The land of the brave just picks on poor defenceless countries that have ample riches to steal.
AHA, THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING..
The fugitive President and his cronies jailed the previous President Yulia two years ago, so no wonder the people are outraged, what a little sweetie..
Throughout all this we need to bear in mind how this plays out in Russia. For many of them the collapse of the Soviet Union was humiliating. The lawlessness that followed, and the inability to collect taxes meant Yeltsin had to go cap in hand to America. All the while Russia's sphere of influence, (near abroad) was being taken over by America: Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Rep, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia are all members of NATO. Long term ally Serbia was attacked by NATO, forced to give up Kosovo, and now even they are applying for EU membership.
The action in Nagorno-Karabakh is viewed as the high water mark in what had been a gradual takeover by America. That was where the line was drawn, America could have so much but no more. As far as the Russians are concerned, they're not the aggressors, it's the Americans, and the Americans are being sneaky and underhand about it.
That's why any suggestion of sabre rattling by the West would be disastrous. Putin would be backed into a corner by his success in Nagorno-Karabakh, his hard man image would be under threat and he would be compelled to act. It's just as well there's a man in the Whitehouse with a level head on his shoulders.
Quote:Izzy said:... a gradual takeover by America. That was where the line was drawn, America could have so much but no more. As far as the Russians are concerned, they're not the aggressors, it's the Americans, and the Americans are being sneaky and underhand about it.
The bottom line the Ukrainians should be asking is "will we be better or worse off under an American takeover?"
Anyway the definition of "takeover" is open to interpretation.
After all, many countries are America's NATO allies and partners, and don't seem to mind.
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Obviously it isn't all Obama's fault
Quote:You really are a Soviet Leftist izzy.
You're an idiot. If you're looking for a Putin apologist look no further than your old pal Gungasnake. Putin is racist, homophobic, fascistic, Islamophobic, and on top of that he's incredibly rich. If he was an American you'd have this on your bedroom wall.