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Why are we still keeping Ukraine on financial support when China is knocking at our door?

 
 
Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2025 11:55 am
I'm increasingly convinced that our government is losing focus. While China aggressively expands its influence — from Panama to Africa to the Pacific — we continue to finance a conflict in Ukraine that has long since ceased to make strategic sense for us. These billions could be used to strengthen our defense, boost our economy, or contain Beijing. It's time to put pressure on Zelensky and push him to the negotiating table — we need to end this conflict. It is a distraction from the real issues that threaten America's future.

How much longer will we pay for someone else's war while the real threat gets closer?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2025 12:24 pm
@glenkirk,
During your no-show I thought something had happened to you or - even worse - the flow of money from Russia had been stopped.

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2025 12:31 pm
@glenkirk,
China wouldn't be so ascendent in Africa if Trump had kept USAID.

You can't have it both ways, cut aid to Africa then piss your pants when China fills the vacuum.

You're so typical of the dimwits who voted for Trump.
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hightor
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2025 12:34 pm
@glenkirk,
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I'm increasingly convinced that our government is losing focus.

Putin's government?

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These billions could be used to strengthen our defense, boost our economy, or contain Beijing.

Trillions of dollars worth of wealth have evaporated under Trump's mishandling 0f the economy and the USA's diplomatic alienation from the rest of the world. China is merely stepping into the vacuum.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2025 12:37 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Putin's government?

Quote:
These billions could be used to strengthen our defense, boost our economy, or contain Beijing.

According to most estimates, every day of the war in Ukraine costs Russia $500 million to $1 billion.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2025 12:44 pm
@glenkirk,
Trump picked a fight with China that he is losing.


Quote:
‘Shock to the system’: farmers hit by Trump’s tariffs and cuts say they need another bailout
With extreme weather and Trump’s looming trade war, US farmers are reeling and resigned to needing more cash help

Farmers across the United States say they could face financial ruin – unless there is a huge taxpayer-funded bail out to compensate for losses generated by Donald Trump’s sweeping cuts and chaotic tariffs.

Small- and medium-sized farms were already struggling amid worsening climate shocks and volatile commodities markets, on top of being squeezed by large corporations that dominate the supply chain.

In recent weeks, farmers in Texas and across the midwest have suffered millions of dollars of crop losses due to unprecedented heavy rainfall and flooding.

The climate crisis-fueled extreme weather is compounded by the US president’s looming trade war and the administration targeting popular federal programs and staff, leaving farmers reeling and resigned to needing another bailout.

“There’s a lot of uncertainty around and I hate to be used as a bargaining chip. I am definitely worried,” said Travis Johnson, who lost more than 1,000 acres of cotton, sorghum and corn after a year’s rain fell within 48 hours in the Rio Grande Valley (RGV) in southern Texas last month, turning parched fields into lakes.

RGV farmers sell sorghum, wheat, corn and vegetables to Mexico among other crops, while buying fertilizer and equipment – and relying on Mexican farmhands for cheap labor. Mexico is the US’s largest trading partner, while China is the main buyer of American sorghum and cotton. All US products destined for China face a 125% tax thanks to Trump’s tariff war, and could cut farmers off from core markets.

Rural counties rallied behind Trump in 2024, giving him a majority in all but 11 of the 444 farming-dependent counties last year, averaging 78% support, according to analysis by Investigate Midwest.

Trump’s vote share rose among farming communities, despite his last trade war which required a $23bn taxpayer bailout for farmers in 2018-19.

Yet anxiety is mounting among the agricultural base.

First came widespread cuts to oversubscribed and chronically underfunded federal climate and conservation schemes designed to reduce costs and greenhouse gases, and improve yields and environmental health.

Trump is also shuttering local food programs which provide farmers with stable domestic markets like public school districts and food banks, helping make farms more resilient to global economic shocks. The USAID, which purchased about $2bn every year in agricultural products particularly wheat, sorghum and lentils for humanitarian aid programs, has been dismantled.

The loss in federal programs alone would have been tough to cope with, but then came the trade chaos. Trump’s tariff announcements began when most farmers already had spring crops in the ground – or at the very least had prepared the land and purchased inputs such as seeds and pesticides, making it impossible to switch to crops that could potentially find a market domestically.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/15/farmers-trump-tariffs-bailout-extreme-weather

American farmers grow sorghum to sell to China, it's too late to change crops this year.

No domestic demand, and no chance to grow something to sell at home for another year.

Shouldn't you be concerned about that instead of your China Chimera?

I don't give a monkey's about it, these people voted for Trump, they can go to Hell for all I care.

The only thing worse that Trump are the repulsive imbeciles who voted for him.

So, to quote your sockpuppet. Hahaha.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2025 12:48 pm
@glenkirk,
The Chinese are more reliable than the Americans anyway.

Most people prefer doing business with them.

They haven't got some wannabe Caligula, making his horse senator, calling the shots.

(It's only a matter of time.)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2025 01:27 pm
While China claims neutrality in the war, it has provided diplomatic support to Russia, supplied materials that aid its weapons production.

And, well, Chinese are fighting in the Ukraine, too.

https://i.imgur.com/MW1ofzil.png

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thack45
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2025 03:00 pm
A competent government would not be so ignorant as to consider such a poorly constructed false dilemma. This administration, however, is own-goaling against China (and its own allies) as its leaders revel in corruption, rage-baiting, and playing out the crackpot fantasies they've been telling anyone who'll listen about for the past several decades to centuries.

So you are in luck. This US government is keen to make bad arguments just like this one, and the president clearly has a soft spot for Russia. Maybe that's because it reminds him of the 80s 🤷🏿‍♀️
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