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COUP IN KYIV?

 
 
revelette2
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 06:19 am
Blah, blah, both sides of the bad/good USA or any other country or region argument is so old and tired. It's like world wide high school basketball games.

Meanwhile, Russia is encroaching more into other parts of Ukraine using the same tactics and justifications as it used in Crimea.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 06:37 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
Meanwhile, Russia is encroaching more into other parts of Ukraine using the same tactics and justifications as it used in Crimea.
Really? According to our European media, it's done by Russian speaking separatists.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 07:20 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The main problem now, in my view, is that neither Neither the transitional government in Kiev nor the Russians in Moscow have (full) control over the hardliners on both sides.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 10:50 am
@revelette2,
That was sneaky of you, Rev.

With no rancor and with all due respect, you are woefully ignorant of the extremely sordid history of the USA. This is either incredibly naive of you or willfully stupid of you.

The USA has never been involved in these global issues with a mind to solving them for the overall betterment of the world or mankind. Not a once!
That's never, Rev.

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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 10:54 am
@revelette2,
Quote:


http://www.globalresearch.ca/twenty-years-ago-rwanda-installing-a-us-proxy-state-in-central-africa-the-us-was-behind-the-genocide/5376742

Twenty Years Ago, The US was Behind the Genocide: Rwanda, Installing a US Proxy State in Central Africa

By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, April 06, 2014
Global Research
Region: sub-Saharan Africa


Author’s note

The world is currently commemorating the 20th anniversary of the Rwandan genocide. The official story is that the genocide directed against the Tutsi population was triggered by the Interhamwe militia of the Habyarimana government in the wake of the plane crash which led to the death of president Habyarimana. The evidence suggests that the United States played a covert role in shooting down the plane.

The geopolitics underlying the Rwandan genocide should be understood.

Whereas France was accused of supporting the Habyarimana government. the United States played an undercover role in triggering the genocide.

The ultimate objective was to displace France from Central Africa. It is worth noting that that a similar situation is unfolding in the Central African republic which historically has been an area of French influence. Ethnic divisions between Christians and Muslims are being fomented the ultimate objective is to establish a US proxy states in the Central African republic.

The 1994 Rwandan “genocide” served strictly strategic and geopolitical objectives. The ethnic massacres were a stumbling blow to France’s credibility which enabled the US to establish a neocolonial foothold in Central Africa. From a distinctly Franco-Belgian colonial setting, the Rwandan capital Kigali has become –under the expatriate Tutsi led RPF government– distinctly Anglo-American. English has become the dominant language in government and the private sector. Many private businesses owned by Hutus were taken over in 1994 by returning Tutsi expatriates. The latter had been exiled in Anglophone Africa, the US and Britain.

The Rwandan Patriotic Army (RPA) functions in English and Kinyarwanda, the University previously linked to France and Belgium functions in English. While English had become an official language alongside French and Kinyarwanda, French political and cultural influence will eventually be erased. Washington has become the new colonial master of a francophone country.

In the words of former Cooperation Minister Bernard Debré in the government of France’s Prime Minister Henri Balladur:

“What one forgets to say is that, if France was on one side, the Americans were on the other, arming the Ugandans, who armed the Tutsis. I don’t want to portray a showdown between the French and the Anglo-Saxons, but the truth must be told.” 43

Originally written in May 2000, published on Global research in May 2003, the following text is Part II of Chapter 7 entitled “Economic Genocide in Rwanda”, Second Edition of The Globalization of Poverty and the New World Order , Global Research, 2003.

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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 10:58 am
What do the MAJORITY of the Ukrainian people want?
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 11:00 am
@revelette2,
The following timeline describes just a few of the hundreds of atrocities and crimes committed by the CIA. (1)

CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us." The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator’s security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be "communists," but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.

This scenario has been repeated so many times that the CIA actually teaches it in a special school, the notorious "School of the Americas." (It opened in Panama but later moved to Fort Benning, Georgia.) Critics have nicknamed it the "School of the Dictators" and "School of the Assassins." Here, the CIA trains Latin American military officers how to conduct coups, including the use of interrogation, torture and murder.

The Association for Responsible Dissent estimates that by 1987, 6 million people had died as a result of CIA covert operations. (2) Former State Department official William Blum correctly calls this an "American Holocaust."

The CIA justifies these actions as part of its war against communism. But most coups do not involve a communist threat. Unlucky nations are targeted for a wide variety of reasons: not only threats to American business interests abroad, but also liberal or even moderate social reforms, political instability, the unwillingness of a leader to carry out Washington’s dictates, and declarations of neutrality in the Cold War. Indeed, nothing has infuriated CIA Directors quite like a nation’s desire to stay out of the Cold War.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html
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revelette2
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 11:29 am
@Walter Hinteler,
True, nevertheless, more sections of pro Russian Ukrainians are taking over government buildings, using a lame excuse of suppression by Kiev in order to turn more of the country over to Russia. Ukraine has accused Russia of orchestrating the separatists movement. Of course they are going to deny it, just like they denied right till the end any involvement in Crimea and said Russia has no intention of annexing Crimea which turned out to be a fat lie.

JTT
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 11:35 am
@revelette2,
Rev spies a squirrel!
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timur
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 01:52 pm
The new Anschluss is on the way and Western nations are shitting in their pants.

History doesn't repeat itself, it stutters..
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 01:57 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Quote:

What do the MAJORITY of the Ukrainian people want?


Probably to not be used as pawns as the Afghan people were by the USA wanting to give Russia its own Vietnam.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 02:11 pm
@timur,

The right of nations to self-determination doesn't exist, even, if Wilson declared it in Versailles in 1918 (Otherwise, South Tyrol had become a part of Austria, and Austria a part of Germany at that time.)

Since we had had such bad experiences in Europe, we got the EU .... and minority rights.

I don't think that you can 'tailor' states man-made according to their ethnical origin and national feelings. Borders should be open and ethnicity of no importance.

But we've got, here in Europe, the Czechs and the Slovaks, the Scots and English, the Catalans and the Spanish, the Italians, South and North (and now additionally the Venetians) - however, all without tanks, armies, shootings.

It didn't (and doesn't?) work in the Ukraine - be wary of Putin's tanks! And nationalism!

JTT
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 02:15 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
I don't think that you can 'tailor' states man-made according to their ethnical origin and national feelings. Borders should be open and ethnicity of no importance.


Wasn't that exactly what the EU was trying to do, Walter, isolate Russia by bringing Ukraine into the EU?
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 02:53 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:


The right of nations to self-determination doesn't exist, even, if Wilson declared it in Versailles in 1918 (Otherwise, South Tyrol had become a part of Austria, and Austria a part of Germany at that time.)

Since we had had such bad experiences in Europe, we got the EU .... and minority rights.

I don't think that you can 'tailor' states man-made according to their ethnical origin and national feelings. Borders should be open and ethnicity of no importance.

But we've got, here in Europe, the Czechs and the Slovaks, the Scots and English, the Catalans and the Spanish, the Italians, South and North (and now additionally the Venetians) - however, all without tanks, armies, shootings.

It didn't (and doesn't?) work in the Ukraine - be wary of Putin's tanks! And nationalism!




Your warning comes from a country that once wanted everyone in Europe to speak German.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 03:00 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

Your warning comes from a country that once wanted everyone in Europe to speak German.
Indeed. I have to live with this defect, my original sin.
And now I'm writing in a language like you do - and both of us aren't subjects of an Empire, like it would have been some centuries ago, when speaking this language.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 03:12 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

Enjoy an Easter chocolate bunny, if it doesn't interfere with your constitution.
The German Lutherans "invented" the Easter Hare. And there's a three hares window in the nearby cathedral (something synagogues copied, too).
So - no problem. Thanks for your good wishes!
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2014 03:19 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:

Your warning comes from a country that once wanted everyone in Europe to speak German.


Your hypocrisy is showing again, Foofie.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 07:35 pm

By Fred Kaplan
Quote:
But, cold as this may sound, Russia’s politico-economic domination of Ukraine—something that’s been going on for centuries, give or take a few years—is not a cause for war, or even for diplomatic ostracism.


YEP.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 07:42 pm
@hawkeye10,
Spoken like a true American who has seen his government's "politico-economic domination" (an honest guy like you knows that's just a cute euphemism, right, Hawk? ) of hundreds of countries for well over a century.

At least you are "honest" (dumb?) enough to admit that you are little more than nazis.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 07:50 pm
@JTT,
That sums up Putins argument........"you have yours, now let me have mine".
 

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