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COUP IN KYIV?

 
 
Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 05:35 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Very int-er-est-ing.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 08:59 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Russia suspended from Council of Europe over Crimea and Ukraine
An angry Russia said on Thursday that it would consider pulling out of the Council of Europe, Europe's leading human rights body, following a vote to suspend it from the council's parliamentary assembly.

The council's assembly backed a resolution to withdraw the voting rights of Russia's 18-member delegation. The ban lasts until the end of 2014. The assembly also terminated Russia's right to participate in election observation missions and turfed it off its most prestigious committees.

The resolution, adopted by 145 votes to 21, with 22 abstentions, was passed after a heated three-hour debate in Strasbourg. Russian members stormed out of the chamber before the vote took place. The assembly condemned Russia's annexation of Crimea, its military occupation of Ukrainian territory, and Moscow's "illegal so-called referendum" on the peninsula. This – and Moscow's ongoing threat of "military force" – constituted "beyond any doubt, a grave violation of international law", the assembly declared.

The 47-nation Council of Europe is separate from the EU and oversees the European court of human rights. Unusually, it brings together parliamentarians from both western and eastern Europe, as well as the countries of the former Soviet bloc. Russia has been a member since 1996. The decision to suspend Russia may provoke a sharp response from the Kremlin.

Speaking at a chaotic, ill-tempered press conference after the vote, the head of the Russian delegation, Alexey Pushkov, said Russia would consider terminating its membership of the assembly. A decision would be made in "the next two or three weeks", Pushkov said.

Several of his colleagues launched a venomous attack on European countries that had moved to punish Russia. Some Europeans had adopted a "pathologically biased approach" and had treated Russia – a "great country" – in a scornful and condescending manner. "Since arriving here a year and a half ago I haven't heard a nice word said about the Russian Federation," one complained.

Pushkov declined a request to speak in English, although he did answer one question in French. "We speak Russian," he said defiantly. He accused the United States, not a member of the assembly, of adopting double standards, after bombing Belgrade in the 1990s and invading Iraq. "It [the US] doesn't have a moral right to comment on our behaviour," Pushkov said.
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The council's parliamentary assembly has suspended the voting rights of the Russian delegation once before, from April 2000 to January 2001 over the situation in Chechnya. There have been other challenges, but in these cases the assembly reconfirmed Russia's credentials after a debate.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 09:07 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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He accused the United States, not a member of the assembly, of adopting double standards, after bombing Belgrade in the 1990s and invading Iraq. "It [the US] doesn't have a moral right to comment on our behaviour," Pushkov said.


He is of course, completely correct, isn't he, Walter? If more people had been honest and had spoken truth to power, this whole affair wouldn't have happened.

Why should Russia accept being continually marginalized? Why should they accept US missiles and bases on their doorstep ?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 11:32 am
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Russia tells EU leaders Ukraine debt may affect gas transit
In a letter to European leaders, Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned Ukraine's gas-related debt could impact transit supplies to the West. He called for urgent discussions to resolve outstanding financial issues.
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In his letters to EU leaders, Putin said he was in favor of speedily finding a mechanism for "urgent discussions" on Ukraine's debt problem.

First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov said at an event in Berlin Thursday Russia had always been a reliable energy supplier to Western nations. But in a broadside against EU plans for the bloc to grow more independent of Russian deliveries in response to the crisis, Shuvalov quipped Russia had other potential partners for oil and gas deliveries.

He added any sanctions the West was imposing on Russia would not change the country's behavior and would only lead to Russian society becoming more united.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 11:44 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

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He accused the United States, not a member of the assembly, of adopting double standards, after bombing Belgrade in the 1990s and invading Iraq. "It [the US] doesn't have a moral right to comment on our behaviour," Pushkov said.


He is of course, completely correct, isn't he, Walter? If more people had been honest and had spoken truth to power, this whole affair wouldn't have happened.

Why should Russia accept being continually marginalized? Why should they accept US missiles and bases on their doorstep ?


You are avoiding the more obvious question - given that Russians and Europeans are ethnically different, and that is the root cause of the two groups being alienated from each other (Russians are Eurasians; Europeans are descended from the Germanic tribes mixing with the Norse), why shouldn't Europe protect itself? U.S. protection should have ended, in my opinion, after Europe rebuilt after WWII. The fact that they supposedly acquiesced to U.S. protection might just show that Europe will take, but pretend that they owe no gratitude. It's the old joke of the person that comes to one's house for dinner, eats and eats, and then belches before leaving without a thank you.

Perhaps, before condemning the U.S., one should analyze if the U.S. has a friendship with a not so wealthy cousin (Europe) that enjoys getting benefits from the richer side of the family. The U.S. might be the exploited party. Based on the atrocities of WWII, Europeans are no angels, in my opinion. Quite self-absorbed too, in my opinion. Oh yes, and their hubris about their culture is nauseating to some, in my opinion.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 11:49 am
@Foofie,
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The U.S. might be the exploited party. Based on the atrocities of WWII, Europeans are no angels, in my opinion.


Your hypocrisy is, as always, stunning, Foofie.
Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 12:08 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

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The U.S. might be the exploited party. Based on the atrocities of WWII, Europeans are no angels, in my opinion.


Your hypocrisy is, as always, stunning, Foofie.


Your inability to see something from another angle is what is stunning to me, in my opinion.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2014 12:13 pm
@Foofie,
The appropriate Europeans paid for their war crimes. (Except for the most vicious of the Nazis who were brought into the service of the USA.)

That has never been the case for the USA.

Therein lies your stunning hypocrisy.

It's testament to your incredible self absorption or your profound stupidity that you even raise your head above the parapet.
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 11:08 am
@JTT,
You dismissed my basic premise that the Europeans should defend themselves against the Russian boogey man themselves today, in my opinion. Your alpha male "dismissal" shows no willingness to engage a valid comment that is not your opinion, in my opinion.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 11:30 am
@Foofie,
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You dismissed my basic premise that the Europeans should defend themselves against the Russian boogey man themselves today ...


I didn't even address your premise, Foofie. I only pointed out your incredible hypocrisy, which, with your usual delusion and hypocrisy, you seem hell bent on avoiding.

Your premise doesn't address the incredible hypocrisy of either you or the USA. As you may have noted, the usa's incredibly huge nose is stuck in many places that it doesn't belong.

But keeping with your hypocrisy, you don't discuss that.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 12:03 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
(Russians are Eurasians; Europeans are descended from the Germanic tribes mixing with the Norse)
The Rus were a Norse tribe, one tribe of he Varangians. And those, like any other of the Norse tribes, were North Germanic tribes.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 12:39 pm
So there were apparentlyl no Greeks, Tuscans, no Kelts, no Iberians . . .
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 12:58 pm
@Setanta,
You are a pendant. The Greeks only arrived in what is now Russia about the 6th century BC, the Kelts left Russia between 2400 and 2300 BC ...

Certainly Foofie knows that the Proto-Indo-Europeans came from Russia. He's just still following the ideas of the Aryan racism.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 02:07 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The "Encyclopedia of Germanic Antiquity" (Reallexikon der germanischen Altertumskunde) was first published in 1911-1919, now again in the 2nd edition since 1973. (All volumes are available at the NYC public library, Foofie, at this very moment)

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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 03:09 pm
I have long labored under an illusion. All the Jews i've ever known had great native intelligence, or were at least well-educated. But Moofie/Filler blows that stereotype right out of the water.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 03:13 pm
@Setanta,
Either that or he/she has a peculiar funny kind of humour.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 03:15 pm
I'm not laughing.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sat 12 Apr, 2014 05:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:
(Russians are Eurasians; Europeans are descended from the Germanic tribes mixing with the Norse)
The Rus were a Norse tribe, one tribe of he Varangians. And those, like any other of the Norse tribes, were North Germanic tribes.


So, the Slavic people with jet black hair are really Norse? Something doesn't fit? Perhaps, the mixing of Asian and Rus came closer to the present millenium? Regardless, I really do not parse European nationalities as you do, or those who have a desire to rehash ancient peoples. Regardless, I still see the Russians as sort of different than the western Europeans today. And, all those other people from ancient history are not really germane to the Ukraine/Russia debacle.

Am I correct you are rooting for the Ukraine team? I just think it is foolish to lock horns with Russia. They are a power, and more than ever with natural gas. Aside from that, Europe should just get off of its backside and protect itself from Russia. Perhaps, that would force Germany to make a little less profit in their industries, if the U.S. doesn't play policeman of the world?

Enjoy an Easter chocolate bunny, if it doesn't interfere with your constitution.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 12 Apr, 2014 05:11 pm
@Foofie,
The US plays policeman to the world for reasons of self interest.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 12 Apr, 2014 05:43 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie: if the U.S. doesn't play policeman of the world?

You keep repeating these huge lies, Foofie. With no shame whatsoever. The USA is nothing more than the most powerful gangster group on the planet. Police, real police, don't torture, rape and steal from those they protect. The USA does all those things in the most vicious of fashions and things much worse.

When you are born of and from terrorism what can you expect.
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