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COUP IN KYIV?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2014 11:21 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
Only recently have I heard of "Central" European countries. Growing up there was just Eastern and Western Europe, adjacent to each other. And the more eastern one went, the more Asiatic the people were. Only in WWI were there the "Central Powers," which included Germany.


You must be a lot older than I thought: for instance, the term "Central European Time" was introduced in the late 19th century.
But maps showed the term even (a lot) earlier, like the outline map of central Europe in the school atlas "according to the method of abbé Gaultier", published in London by Harris and Son, in 1821.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2014 11:24 am
@izzythepush,
Izzy: There are serious shortcomings with the Egyptian verdicts.
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Indeed, Iz.

They should have proceeded like the USA and the UK did in Indonesia in the 1960s; just provide death lists to willing proxies. Trials are such complicated and truly messy events.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2014 11:29 am
@Foofie,
It's the same, but Brest isn't situated in Lithuania anymore (was from 1349 till 1795)
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2014 11:37 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Are geography lessons for Foofie part of the intent of this thread, Walter?
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2014 12:49 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

It's the same, but Brest isn't situated in Lithuania anymore (was from 1349 till 1795)


Thank you. That means two grandparents came from Bylorussia (Brest and Minsk; the other two from Kiev and Caucasus Mountains). All came as young marrieds with an infant in the late 19th century, before the Bolshevik Revolution. Hamburg was the port of departure then, I believe.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2014 01:11 pm
@Foofie,
In Russia, and especially in and around Brest, many Jews lost there homes due to local major blazes (like in 1887, 1895 and 1901).
In the German Jewih press you can find dozens of notices for and reports about collections to help the Russian Jews.

Between 1881 and 1914 more than 700,000 Russian Jews emigrated to the USA via Hamburg.
In 1884, Hamburg Jews founded the "Hilfeverein für mittellose russische Juden"(a charity for stranded and fundless Russian Jews). (More than 10,000 had to get help already in 1881). - Jews called Hamburg "Vater der Auswanderer" (father of emigrants).
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2014 06:49 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Very interesting. Thank you. However, all relatives are lost to the mist of time. I can only relate to being an American. My roots in Eastern Europe are just in my DNA, not in my feelings.

Also, in a 1971 edition of Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary, Poland is referred to as in Eastern Europe; however, in an American Heritage Dictionary from 1982, it is referred to as in Central Europe. I guess this shows that Poles are very strong, since it no easy feat to lift and move an entire country. Or, is it possible that a magician levitated it?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2014 06:03 am
Why the United States needs to think twice before calling Ukraine an ally: Foreign Policy asks Would You Die For That Country?
Quote:
[...] It's one thing to offer verbal support, but a concrete security guarantee is something else again. Indeed, one of the more disturbing aspects of the current debate over Ukraine is the widespread assumption that if Ukrainians really, really want to be part of the West, then the United States and Europe are obliged to lend them money, offer them trade deals, and eventually let them into NATO itself. [...]

The right question when potential allies come calling is: What's in it for us? What have they got that we want, and how badly do we want it? U.S. power and protection is still a significant asset, and America shouldn't be offering it to anyone on the cheap. Truly valuable allies provide the United States with reliable intelligence, basing rights, advanced technology, and sometimes even troops sent to fight alongside those of America -- and the best allies don't get into senseless quarrels with their neighbors (or maintain illegal occupations that make the United States look bad). Other allies are valuable not because they do that much for America, but because they happen to control resources the United States wants and so the country has to tolerate some of their foibles. Foreign policy is not philanthropy, and the United States should not leap to embrace allies that can't or won't do plenty for it.

Finally, with rare exceptions, the more help a potential ally needs, the less valuable that ally is likely to be. Strong, secure, competent, and efficient states make the best allies because they usually have capabilities that are of considerable value to their partners. By contrast, weak, isolated, corrupt, unpopular, and feckless governments often find themselves in big trouble and are therefore desperate for help -- but those same qualities make them of little strategic value to anyone who is unlucky or unwise enough to take them under their wing (see under: Hamid Karzai). So the next time some unlucky country comes knocking on Washington's door, remember these words: caveat emptor.
revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2014 06:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
What a truly cynical article. (bracing myself for being called naïve...
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2014 08:48 am
@revelette2,
You're right, Rev. The USA only cares about itself. The posturing that has gone on for two centuries has been all lies. A country so motivated by greed is nothing more than a group of gangsters. History clearly shows that is what the USA is.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2014 09:04 am
An interesting development, and one that goes against Russia's insistence that the Kiev government is dominated by fascists.
A Ukrainian ultra-nationalist leader has been shot dead in what officials describe as a special forces operation.

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Oleksandr Muzychko, better known as Sashko Bily, died in a shoot-out with police in a cafe in Rivne in western Ukraine, the interior ministry said.

He was a leader of Right Sector, a far-right group which was prominent in the recent anti-government protests.

Meanwhile, Ukraine's parliament has voted to accept the resignation of Defence Minister Ihor Tenyukh.

Mr Tenyukh had been accused of indecision in the face of Russia's military takeover of Crimea.

The shooting of Muzychko happened just hours after Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov had held talks with his Ukrainian counterpart Andriy Deshchytsia - their first meeting since Russia's move into Crimea triggered a diplomatic crisis.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26729273
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2014 09:08 am
@izzythepush,
At home, Izzy likes to dress up as Margaret thatcher. He's hoping he can find somebody for his extra bedroom that will play Dennis.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2014 09:32 am
Quote:
Meanwhile, Ukraine's parliament has voted to accept the resignation of Defence Minister Ihor Tenyukh.

Mr Tenyukh had been accused of indecision in the face of Russia's military takeover of Crimea.


I don't blame them.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2014 10:45 am
@revelette2,
It has been a quite chaotic day Ukraine ... politically-wise, mainly (Alexandr Musytschko has been shot as well)
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2014 11:03 am
Some sober reflection, after months of bravado.

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Russia expects investors to move up to $70bn (£42bn) of assets out of the country in the first three months of this year.

The sign that investors are becoming nervous about Russia comes amid sanctions and tensions over Ukraine.

Speaking to reporters on Monday, Andrei Klepach, Russia's deputy economy minister, also warned of stagnant growth and rising inflation.

He expects growth in the first quarter to be "around zero".

The Russian economy grew by just 1.3% last year, but Mr Klepach said it was "too soon" to talk about "a recovery from stagnation".

"There won't be a recession, but there is a problem of stagnation: it's length and depth," Mr Klepach said.

"Unfortunately the investment slump is continuing. I'm not ready to say how long it will continue."

The Russian economy ministry forecasts suggest $65-70bn of assets would be taken out of Russia this quarter, but Mr Klepach said the figure was likely to be closer to $70bn.

That would mark a significant rise on 2013, when capital outflows for the entire year totalled $63bn.

Mr Klepach said sanctions imposed by the US and EU in the wake of the Ukraine crisis had yet to have a significant impact, but said "worsening of relations is a significantly negative factor for economic growth and correspondingly influences the capital outflow."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26725905
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2014 11:10 am
Some joker on the radio today was complaining about how Canadian sanctions were going to hurt Canada more than Russia. Excuse me? SMC Lavalin, Magna International and Bombardier may suffer somewhat from Russian reciprocal sanctions--but they can put their money elsewhere, and can sell their products elsewhere. The Russians can't buy their expertise and experience anywhere else, especially if sanctions are uniformly enforced. Sanctions are not politically "sexy," because they take time to work. There's none of the drama of brinkmanship and war. But sanctions can work--look at South Africa. Sanctions were working Iraq, too, but the cowboy at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue couldn't wait to be a war hero. If there is international unity in imposing sanctions, they can work, and they can work relatively quickly. There is no good reason to expect the Russians to pull out of the Crimean--but Putin can be slapped down so that he'll think twice about attempting to steal any more land from the Ukraine, and threatening Moldova and the Baltic states.
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2014 11:26 am
Note to Walter.
Angela Merkel is the one to watch for a resolution to this crisis.
I'm impressed with her steely resolve and diplomatic skills.
We're lucky to have her in charge.
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2014 11:39 am
@panzade,
I agree that Merkel is a great player to have on one's side in all of this, but Putin is the sort of person to cut off his nose to spite his face, and some sort of settlement has to be reached where he can be seen walking away from this as the alpha male.
It just depends on whether the west is prepared to put up with his vanity for the sake of stability in the region.
He isn't finished yet, I reckon. He'll create another mini crisis over the next week, just to show who's boss.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2014 11:43 am
@panzade,
It's actually our foreign minister, who's doing the hard work.But since he's from the "other coalition party", he's not in the spotlight of the international media.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2014 11:45 am
@Lordyaswas,
Lordyaswasandis the grand hypocrite.
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