COUP IN KYIV?

@spendius,

"nuanced" - can you imagine, Spendi, having an entire career based on nothing more than a series of lies? What kind of a person would do such a thing?

Is vodka okay for you?

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@JTT,

I don't recall ever having tried Vodka. Is it any good?

I drink English beer.

It's okay I presume basing a career on lies as long as you don't know you are doing.

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@spendius,

It's dog awful, Spendi.

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@spendius,

It's okay I presume basing a career on lies as long as you don't know you are doing.
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One presumes a modicum of research for historians. And other academics.

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@spendius,

I'm new. What are you talking about?

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I am confused...Putin is supposed to be the big bad wolf, yet just now it is announced that the Egyptian Military run government is going to kill over 500 Muslim Brotherhood members.

Surely that has to rate serous sanctions, or maybe an invasion, right?

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@Russian Bear,

Russian Bear wrote:

I'm new. What are you talking about?

Warning: attempting to understand spendius could make you old.

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@hawkeye10,

Invasion? Who is invading? Where from?

Although this Court sentencing appears to be quite horrific and barbaric, it is still an Egyptian internal matter, no?

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@hawkeye10,

And that is related to Crimea, Ukraine or the "coup in Kyiv" exactly in what way?

I mean, if you have problems with the Egyptian legal system - why don't you start a thread about that?

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@Lordyaswas,

No, it is not just an Egyptian internal matter. The US, and the West generally, provide substantial aid to Egypt.

If those barbaric sentences are carried out it will have our approval and assistance and Putin will make play with it.

We supported and encouraged the Brotherhood and then let them down. Putin won't let the pro-Russian element in the Crimea down and allow the Kiev government to execute any of his supporters.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

And that is related to Crimea, Ukraine or the "coup in Kyiv" exactly in what way?

I mean, if you have problems with the Egyptian legal system - why don't you start a thread about that?

Brutal exercise of hard power is not reserved for Putin only, but only some get the Wests panties twisted. I am interested in why sometimes we care and sometimes we dont.

But re your question, I doubt the Egyptian military would be doing this if our attention was not else where, and if they did not know that putin would come to their aid if the West shuts down the current spigots.

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@hawkeye10,

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Surely that has to rate serous sanctions, or maybe an invasion, right?

An invasion? Surely you jest hawk. They stepped over Obarmy's "red line" and the aid continued. It was a red carpet.

There was an invasion in the mid-50s and the US pulled the plug.

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@hawkeye10,

There are serious shortcomings with the Egyptian verdicts. Not least because the trial only started on Saturday, and the judge kicked out the defence lawyers for abusing the legal process.

There is still an appeal, and after that, all death sentences have to be approved by the Egyptian Grand Mufti.

Apart from Afghanistan, when its actions bit it on the arse, when has the West ever stepped in to help Islamic fundamentalists?

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@hawkeye10,

You're just setting up for a Putin apologist, and you've probably become a Putin admirer. I suspect that before this crisis began, you didn't give him a thought.

Walter's point is still well taken. If you want to discuss why "sometimes we care and sometimes we don't," then start a thread about it. This thread has a specific topic, and that ain't it.

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@Setanta,

Setanta: Walter's point is still well taken. If you want to discuss why "sometimes we care and sometimes we don't," then start a thread about it. This thread has a specific topic, and that ain't it.
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If by "well taken" you mean frequently brought up as a means to curtail salient discussion, then you are right, Set, and that should be duly noted seeing as you being right is such a rare event.

But that you, a frequently off topic guy should bring this up is, well, completely understandable, flaming hypocrite that you are.

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@izzythepush,

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Apart from Afghanistan, when its actions bit it on the arse, when has the West ever stepped in to help Islamic fundamentalists?

I assume then that you think the Brotherehood was encouraged by the West in order to set it up for destruction and to help pay for it.

Or do you think it was just for our media jocks to look good in Tahrir Square whilst on an expenses paid junket in the best hotels.

Why would we want to help Islamic fundamentalists when their declared aim is to wage war on us?

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@JTT,

But look how "well taken" is assumed to mean for the rest of us what it does for Setanta. It's another assertion.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Why would we want to help Islamic fundamentalists when their declared aim is to wage war on us?

Wasn't that my point?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:
Perhaps, after the war, the U.S. was more intellectually honest as to national identities?

Well, so I'm a Saxon, subcategory Westphalian.

Vunderbar!

Only recently have I heard of "Central" European countries. Growing up there was just Eastern and Western Europe, adjacent to each other. And the more eastern one went, the more Asiatic the people were. Only in WWI were there the "Central Powers," which included Germany.

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@Walter Hinteler,

On your map, wasn't Brest once Brest-Litovsk? Where the WWI Armistice was signed?

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