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NATO commander warns of Russian threat to separatist Moldova region

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The president of ex-Soviet Moldova warned Russia last Tuesday against considering any move to annex Transdniestria, which lies on Ukraine's western border, in the same way that it has taken control of Crimea.

The speaker of Transdniestria's parliament had urged Russia earlier to incorporate the region.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Russia should move into central and South America.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

oralloy wrote:
I consider them part of Eastern Europe, ...

Some of you Americans have some very obscure geographical ideas.

I thought the Slavic countries comprise Eastern Europe? In fact, as a child, during the Cold War, Russians were referred to as Eurasians, not Eastern Europeans, in the press, oftentimes.

Anyway, Poles are Slavic; therefore, part of Eastern Europe. Was it ever part of Czarist Russia?

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@Foofie,

Foofie = Ignorance

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

Anyway, Poles are Slavic; therefore, part of Eastern Europe. Was it ever part of Czarist Russia?

a) my response wasn't just related to Poland
b) my response wasn't about "race"
c) countries in Central Europe include: Austria, Czech Republic, Germany, Hungary, Liechtenstein, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia and Switzerland. Some sources also add Croatia, Romania and Serbia for historical, geographical and/or cultural reasons.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Actually, parts of Poland and Germany (and Russia) can be said to be situated in Northern Europe (geographically, and due to membership in international organisations). But generally it's just the Scandinavian and Baltic countries.

Of course, everyone can act like Foofie, and use historic terms for geographic names today.
But those, who actually rely on information, are glad that there's a standardisation of the nomenclature.

"Central and Eastern Europe", abbreviated CEE, was used a generic term for countries in Central Europe, Southeast Europe and Eastern Europe, usually meaning former communist states in Europe. (Austria was interestingly a CEE country as well.)
The term Central and Eastern Europe (with its abbreviation CEE) has by now displaced the alternative term "East-Central Europe".

Northern Europe is still the same as it has been before the falling of the "Iron Curtain".

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Actually, parts of Poland and Germany (and Russia) can be said to be situated in Northern Europe (geographically, and due to membership in international organisations). But generally it's just the Scandinavian and Baltic countries.

Russia, being part of the Asian continent, resulted in German Jews (in America) referring to arriving Russian Jews, in the late 19th century, as "wild-eyed Asiatics," since the different mode of worship was stigmatizing German Jews with their circle of Christian friends.

Russia is Eurasian. Poland is a Slavic country in Eastern Europe. It was the Swedes that blonded Poles in the 17th century, during a warring period called The Deluge, I read.

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@Foofie,

I'm not educated in these Nazi-race stuff.

Russia was ever seen as part of Europe.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

I'm not educated in these Nazi-race stuff.

Russia was ever seen as part of Europe.

What are you saying? My childhood was in the 1950's, after the Nazi period. This was common knowledge during that period (what was Eastern Europe; which countries are Slavic). Perhaps, after the war, the U.S. was more intellectually honest as to national identities?

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

Perhaps, after the war, the U.S. was more intellectually honest as to national identities?

Well, so I'm a Saxon, subcategory Westphalian.

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@Foofie,

Foofie: the U.S. was more intellectually honest as to national identities?

The vast majority of the USA has never been all that interested in intellectual honesty, Foof. You stand as a shining example of that.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Already the Greek (and Byzantine) mapmakers marked the Ural mountains and rive (as well as the Ob) as borders of Europe to Asia.
That changed later a bit ... to be there today again.

The following map shows the 'border' in early modern times

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@Foofie,

Foofie, you sound like you are using putins actions as a defence for USA illegal invasions. Is that what you're doing?

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@JTT,

Well, then Russia should become a Scandinavic country: the Varangians (aka Vikings) were the (co-)founders of the state of Rus' and ruled it in the first centuries of its existence. (Rus' > Russia is named after prince Rurik, who was perhaps identical with Rorik of Dorestad, a 'king' from the royal Scylding house of Haithabu, in Northern Germany.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

Sorry, Walter, I can't accept that until it is confirmed by Setanta the historian.

Smile

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Political scientist Kai-Olaf Lang tells DW that the Baltic states are worried about further territorial claims by Russia. Their defense plans are already on the table for the worst case scenario.

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The Baltic states have signaled their fear of Russia's potential expansion. But just how endangered do you think are Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia really? They are EU and NATO members, after all.

I don't believe that they're threatened directly. Russia is currently pursuing different interests. For Russia, it's about the large geostrategic link and a power balance between the West and Russia in the post-Soviet area. Ukraine is at the heart of this large-scale strategic concept. The Baltic states are different because they're members of the EU and of NATO already. Russia doesn't want an open confrontation with the Baltic states, but Moscow is prepared to use the fate of the Russian-speaking minority to take action.

Full interview: 'Baltic states are worried and alert'

As a reminder, this map

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@Walter Hinteler,

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'Baltic states are worried and alert'

Maybe they are trying to panic us into something. The Ruskies wind them up to it, we send in assets and we end up further stretched than we are now. With nasty, long winters to deal with.

The Romans had the same problem. So did we.

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@spendius,

btw--Riga is supposed to be the hot place to go for a whorehouse romp.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I think that Manfesto Destinarko should see Russia move right to the water's edge, and possibly beyond, slaughtering all who stand in their way. I mean, I've studied the history of the USA and that's how they did it. If the USA does it that way, it's just gotta be right!

Will vodka be alright for you, Spendi, instead of beer?

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@JTT,

Perhaps, JT, you shouldn't have studied the history of the USA so thoroughly. I think history teachers have a more nuanced approach.

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