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COUP IN KYIV?

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 09:24 am
@izzythepush,
No doubt that money talks, in this story as in others, but there's a fundamental flaw in the out-pour of grief about the EU coming out of US newspapers and pundits. And that is that the EU is not a geopolitical force; it is not a "power"; it does not have a common foreign policy nor common armed forces. And therefore one should not expect it to come together as a geopolitical force.

The EU could have grown into such a power, but the US has always opposed it as it could have threatened NATO from within. Since the expansion to 26 countries, it's now a long gone dream. The EU will never be a "power", and will always remain just a trading group, at least in the foreseeable future.

When Israel annexed the Golan, nobody expected the EU to go on the war path or cut all economic ties with Israel... Everybody assumed that the EU is powerless and will remain so, right?.. So why expect biting EU sanctions against Russia now?
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 09:54 am
@Olivier5,
Damn cheese eating surrender monkeys!!!
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 10:51 am
@Olivier5,
I tend to ignore the US newspapers, what I took from Judah's article was the pernicious influence of wealthy individuals, American and European, over democratic government.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 11:44 am
@izzythepush,
As a general statement, sure, although nothing specific is mentioned in the op-ed. The issue for me is that Europe as an economic and technocratic machine, cannot respond to a security crisis. Tanks trump technocrats any day. That the technocratic machine be corrupt in places (in national states too) doesn't help, but a trade group is not an alliance and a technocracy does not a force make.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 12:15 pm
@izzythepush,
Izzy: I tend to ignore the US newspapers,
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There we go again - your virulent anti-Americanism!
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 01:18 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
There we go again - your virulent anti-Americanism!


the source makes this quote hilarious.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 01:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
You don't do sarcasm, hawk?

I was poking fun at Setanta.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 02:47 pm
@JTT,
Our TV News broadcasts constantly feechewer The Papers. They usually display all the front pages in order of poshness and then there is a half-hour discussion about the main stories.

I watch US TV News programmes and they ignore The Papers.

Why is that JT?
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 03:51 pm
@spendius,
I'll bite, why?
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 04:15 pm
@JTT,
I don't really know. I think they showed a few NY front pages during the Sofitel business. Maybe I see US News at the wrong time of day.

Maybe each of your channels sees itself as the fountainhead of news and is not about to publicise any competition. They might have others on Ignore.

Our newspapers are often in the news these days. Main story of the day sometimes. Maybe yours are not.



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Wilso
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 04:41 pm
How 138% of Americans view Obama's handling of the issue - according to Fox.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2lkqxzn.jpg
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 04:50 pm
@Wilso,
American Exceptionalism??
Wilso
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 05:05 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

American Exceptionalism??


Rupert Murdoch?
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 05:40 pm
@Wilso,
Rupert Murdoch?

Smile
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 05:50 pm
@Wilso,
Wilso wrote:

How 138% of Americans view Obama's handling of the issue - according to Fox.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2lkqxzn.jpg


How many disapprove because he is doing too little?

How many disapprove because he is doing too much?

How many disapprove because he is doing the wrong things?

I am betting that Fox reports as if the disapproval number shows that people want him to be more aggressive, but this number does not prove that, irregardless of what the right number is.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 06:01 pm
I wasn't making a comment on what Americans think about Obama or the situation in Kyiv. I don't know, and I don't care. Simply about the Murdoch run propaganda machine.
roger
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 07:15 pm
@Wilso,
I thought he was one of yours.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 07:25 pm
@roger,
Roger the dodger: I thought he was one of yours.

He found a home in Evildom.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2014 07:26 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

I thought he was one of yours.


US citizen, but hideous interference in Australian politics.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 23 Mar, 2014 04:16 am
A "subjective" documentary upt to late February

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