@Lordyaswas,
Lordyaswas wrote:And as far as ICBM's are concerned, if you are serious in having a mindset to 'demand' an immediate strike, knowing the retaliatory consequences, I am not surprised that no-one takes your views very seriously.
I suppose there are merits to slow but implacable escalation. But sometimes if a fight is inevitable it is best to just get it over with.
Lordyaswas wrote:The US can bluff and bluster all it likes, but if anyone convinces Ukraine or even a shrunken 'new' Ukraine to sign up to NATO, it will be the equivalent to Obama strolling up to Putin's door and sh*tting on the doorstep.
Lordyaswas wrote:In Russia's mind, Ukraine in NATO and the EU mean missiles on their border, the enemy at the gates.
Just think how you would react if the tables were turned and, say, Cuba wanted to cement their friendship with Russia by putting missiles on their soil, a stone's throw away from your back yard?
Comparing this to the Cuban Missile Crisis severely understates the threat to Russia. The distance from Ukraine to Moscow is nothing like the distance from Cuba to Washington DC.
More like the distance from Cuba to
Miami.
I do not propose bluffing. I propose that, if Russia annexes eastern and southern Ukraine, we bring the remainder of Ukraine into NATO for real.
Yes, Russia will not like it. That's the point of doing it. If they don't want us to do it, they should consider
not annexing eastern and southern Ukraine.
Lordyaswas wrote:We are not talking about farm subsidies or point scoring over who gets the important decisions about what expenses they can fiddle....we are talking about the distinct possibility of big, hairy men smelling of vodka and borscht, rumbling right across Ukraine and not stopping until they drive into and demolish Walter's outdoor privy.
Lordyaswas wrote:The US Military, in this particular scenario, would be a reasonable nuisance to Putin, but would suffer a very quick humiliation if they got into this, and there's no way that the White House has the stomach for that at the moment.
This isn't an Iraq.
I disagree. I think our military could eradicate Russia's military with ease. And if Russia invades
any NATO country, we are very much going to jump into that fight.
Also, if Russia did somehow manage to successfully invade all the way to Germany (or even merely invaded the entirety of Ukraine), they would then be faced with management of a large hostile population. And the West would almost certainly support an insurgency. The occupation would quickly become a disaster for the Russians.
Lordyaswas wrote:In your first paragraph, the word 'they' refers to the French, I assume?
We get a lot of grief from Germany as well.