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COUP IN KYIV?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2014 12:23 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Russian President Vladimir Putin is currently flexing his muscles in the Crimea crisis. But what are his long-term goals, and who could still have the power to influence him?
'Crimea is about the survival of Putin's system'
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2014 01:23 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Why wasn't there this same type of talk when the US and the nato poodles were committing crimes that makes Putin's actions like a picnic in the park?

Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba, Guatemala, Korea, ... is about the survival of America's system.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2014 07:45 pm
@izzythepush,
It's not a treaty - no legal bind. It's a memorandum. And if your country is worried about it, your country should deal with it.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2014 10:51 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

It's not a treaty - no legal bind. It's a memorandum. And if your country is worried about it, your country should deal with it.


Yes, Europe should be dealing with this crisis, and to be fair, they're not ignoring it, but by now they should be able to deal with regional affairs without relying upon their big American brother.

Why don't they? Because they know that we will always step in (at least attempting) to save the day.

I'm not advocating isolationism. There is a pay-off for being the world's policeman, but I expect our leaders to maximize that pay-off and they are not, and if they won't, then for as long as they are in power they should leave the heavy lifting to others, and let the world see what happens when there isn't a superpower patrolling the streets.

If Obama has accomplished anything in terms of foreign policy it might be that he has taught the rest of the world not to always rely on the US. Alas the rest of the world that loves the internationally introverted Obama when the fat isn't on the fire, can just wait a few years for someone with more gusto.

We should move all of our military resources in Europe to the East. Countries like Poland, Latvia, Estonia, et al would like nothing better than to have American bases and troops on their soil, and doing so would present a far greater deterrant to Russian expansionism than begrudged installations in Western Europe.

The chances of Putin invading Germany or the UK are miniscule. Not so as respects the Baltic States.

Western European military installations should be an investment. If there is no return on them the capital needs to be invested elsewhere.


hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 12:52 am
Quote:
Moscow (AFP) - A United States surveillance drone has been intercepted above the Ukranian region of Crimea, a Russian state arms and technology group said Friday.

"The drone was flying at about 4,000 metres (12,000 feet) and was virtually invisible from the ground. It was possible to break the link with US operators with complex radio-electronic" technology, said Rostec in a statement.

The drone fell "almost intact into the hands of self-defence forces" added Rostec, which said it had manufactured the equipment used to down the aircraft, but did not specify who was operating it.

"Judging by its identification number, UAV MQ-5B belonged to the 66th American Reconnaissance Brigade, based in Bavaria," Rostec said on its website, which also carried a picture of what it said was the captured drone.

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-intercepted-us-drone-over-crimea-arms-180430584.html

well now, that is one sure way to piss Putin off.

Been Reading SEC Gates opinion that one of the biggest mistakes made by the USA during the last decades was humiliating Russia, not taking them seriously after the USSR fell apart. One problem is that they have nukes, but a bigger is that they think of themselves as one of the Primier Empires of Civilization. Consider them a third world nation at your own risk.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 12:59 am
Quote:
For the United States, one of the big long-term risks is that Ukraine ends up pushing Russia and China much closer together -- a shift in the geopolitical tectonic plates that would have a long-lasting impact. Sensing itself under pressure in Asia over the last two years, Beijing has been casting around for political support. The first foreign trip that Xi Jinping made on taking over as China's president in March 2013 was to Moscow. And since he returned to office nearly two years ago, Russian President Vladimir Putin has been happy to play nice with China as he indulges his anti-Western posturing. In October, the two countries signed a large number of energy deals, including an agreement for Russia to supply $85 billion of oil; after years of talks, they are also getting close to an agreement on a major gas pipeline. Beyond the booming business ties, both countries believe that chipping away at the foundations of U.S. power serves their interests.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/03/12/in_the_battle_for_crimea_china_wins

YEP, and it is almost a certainty that THE PROFESSOR has not taken this into proper consideration.....he whos miscalculations are legendary.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 01:15 am
Western commentators have mostly assumed that China takes a dim view of Russia taking Crimea, but they fail to understand that according to them this is no different than China taking back Taiwan...this is a putting to rights. China supports Russia here, and Russia will support China later. The USA and the rest of the WEST can **** off.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 01:47 am
Friends, families divided over Ukraine crisis - not only in Ukraine.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 03:44 am
@Lash,
you're right, NATO is an irrelevance, the power balance has shifted East. We should close down American bases immediately and invite the Russians in. All that intelligence sharing with America in the so called 'special relationship' could be put to good use.

The Russians will pay good money for access to Menwith Hill.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 05:29 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

It's not a treaty - no legal bind. It's a memorandum.
I wouldn't bet on the legal bind.
The "Budapest Memorandums on Security Assurances, 1994" certainly are more than just a paper memorising what has been said - especially, since they were renewed in the text of the "U.S.-Russia Joint Statement on Expiration of the START Treaty".
panzade
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 09:09 am
@izzythepush,
I heard one wag on the radio yesterday:

Kick all the oligarchs' kids out of those fine English public schools and the crisis would be over in a day or two....
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 09:17 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn: There is a pay-off for being the world's policeman
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This is delusional, Finn. The payoff comes to the USA from being the top gangster state, the premier terrorist nation.

Finn: should move all of our military resources in Europe to the East

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You should return home and stop being the top war criminal nation that you have been for a century.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 09:27 am
@panzade,
Pan: Kick all the oligarchs' kids out of those fine English public schools and the crisis would be over
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OligarchyUSA.com
- And You Thought You Lived In a Democracy -

http://www.oligarchyusa.com/

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http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3975126/


The New Oligarchy
Jay Mandle09/24/13 04:11 PM ET

The march to economic and political oligarchy in the United States is picking up speed.

In a recently published paper, Adam Bonica and his associates have estimated that 0.01 percent of American households (one hundredth of one percent) contributed more than 40 percent of campaign contributions in 2012. This level is far higher than had been the case in recent years. In 1990 for example only about 10 percent of donations came from this small segment of the population. However, even the 40 percent figure represents an under-estimate. It does not include contributions to organizations that were not required to disclose their donors. Were they to be included, the figure would be even higher.



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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 09:45 am
@panzade,
Exactly, we need to put pressure on those with the money who enjoy a family life in the West End. Unlike the Sloans they don't really contribute to the neighbourhood, they have everything shipped in.

Not only that, prime real estate is allowed to rot because of it's location. we've a real housing crisis over here.

Quote:
"When I was a boy I used to come up to London and see houses like these and think 'Wow. Who lives there?'" says Paul Palmer, gazing up at a pair of seven-storey mansions in Park Lane across the road from Hyde Park. "Now I know – no one. These are owned by two different companies registered at the same address in the British Virgin Islands. They haven't been occupied for at least seven years, apart from when the squatters were there in January."

There are an estimated 1m empty homes in the UK, and as empty properties officer for Westminster council, Palmer is responsible for about 3,000 of them. Every day, he visits some of the ritziest addresses in the capital and does his best to get them lived in again. What makes his job unique is the staggering value of the properties on his books: some of his Mayfair mansions are worth as much as £50m, even in their dilapidated state. What makes his job difficult is that many of the biggest and most expensive are owned not by dusty old dowagers down on their luck but by mystery investors hiding their identities behind offshore companies.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2009/oct/16/empty-houses-london-wealthy-owners
panzade
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 09:48 am
@izzythepush,
Boy, that would be troubling to me.

Sorta like if Chinese millionaires had bought Detroit.

They have? Seriously?
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 09:56 am
@panzade,
You and izzy have something against free enterprise, Pan?

Pan: Boy, that would be troubling to me.

Sorta like if Chinese millionaires had bought Detroit.
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You sound just as racist as Izzy.

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 10:09 am
@panzade,
It's not just the Russians, Saudi Sheikhs have been mentioned as well. One big difference is that Detroit is run down, Mayfair is prime real estate. This property is just an item on a portfolio. Property isn't like other assets, people can't live in shares in Microsoft.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 10:20 am
@izzythepush,
Some weeks ago, there was report about the actual situation in London on ...
'Billionaires Row': inside Hampstead palaces left empty for decades
Quote:
The trend for foreign ownership has snowballed to the point that more than half of the 55 properties on the most expensive stretch are now registered to offshore companies or foreign owners.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 11:15 am
The G8 countries are preparing the expulsion of Russia ...
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2014 11:40 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It's not just the G8 where Russia's isolated.
Quote:
Russia has vetoed a draft UN resolution criticising Sunday's secession referendum in Ukraine's Crimea region - the only Security Council member to vote against the measure.

China, regarded as a Russian ally on the issue, abstained from the vote


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26595776

 

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