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revelette2
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2014 07:59 am

13.47 Radoslaw Sikorski, the Polish foreign minister, said Poland had evacuated its consulate in Ukraine's Crimea due to disturbances by Russian forces.


The consulate is in Sevastopol, the home of both Russia's Black Sea Fleet and the Ukrainian navy, where Russian troops drove a truck into a missile defence post and took control of it overnight.


13.47 Radoslaw Sikorski, the Polish foreign minister, said Poland had evacuated its consulate in Ukraine's Crimea due to disturbances by Russian forces.


The consulate is in Sevastopol, the home of both Russia's Black Sea Fleet and the Ukrainian navy, where Russian troops drove a truck into a missile defence post and took control of it overnight.


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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2014 08:16 am
@revelette2,
From a Russia Today report:
Quote:
Ukraine’s new government is under the influence of the radical nationalists, according to Russia’s Foreign Minister, who believes his foreign counterparts are well aware of the fact, but are unwilling to acknowledge it.

“The so-called interim government is not self-sufficient, and, to great regret, depends upon radical nationalists, who carried out the military coup,” Sergey Lavrov told journalists on Saturday, when he was answering the question of whether Russia was ready to have direct talks with the coup-imposed government.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2014 09:20 am
@Walter Hinteler,
First talks between Russia and Ukraine ...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2014 09:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Russia's deputy foreign minister and Ukrainian ambassador to Moscow met in the Russian capital on Saturday to discuss rising tensions in Ukraine's Black Sea peninsula of Crimea, the Russian foreign ministry said.
"On the 8th of March, a meeting took place between Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin and Ukraine's Ambassador to Russia Volodymyr Yelchenko during which, in an open atmosphere, questions of Russia-Ukrainian relations were discussed," a statement from the foreign ministry said.
The talks came hours after Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov advocated objective talks with foreign powers and the new interim government in Ukraine. ... ... ...
Source
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revelette2
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2014 12:50 pm
Ukraine facing loss of its navy as Russian forces in Crimea dig in

Ukraine facing loss of its navy as Russian forces in Crimea dig in



Lashed by the wind as it whips across Crimea's biggest lake, a third of Ukraine's warships have nowhere to go and nothing to do but rise and fall on its choppy waves.

Russian forces have blocked their only exit point to the Black Sea by sinking two ageing vessels there, and Russia's well-armed Moskva missile cruiser can be seen treading water a short distance off the coast, with menace.

With six more of Ukraine's two dozen warships similarly blockaded and Russian forces building up their strength ahead of a referendum that seems likely to result in Crimea becoming part of Russia, Ukraine is facing the humiliating loss of its navy.

Pacing up and down a spartan room in an outbuilding overlooking a row of warships, support vessels, and tugboats, Brigade Commander Vitaly Zvyagintsev says he can't believe the Russian Black Sea Fleet - with whom the Ukrainian navy regularly held exercises in the past - has turned hostile.

"I have two theories," he told Reuters in an interview. "The first is that they want to prevent Ukrainian ships leaving their base and blockading them as they are us now. The second is that they want to make sure that if and when Crimea joins Russia, Ukraine can't get its ships back."

"Georgia doesn't have a fleet any more and the same thing could now happen with Ukraine," he said gloomily, referring to the 2008 Russia-Georgia war which ended with Russian forces taking control of a fifth of Georgia's territory.

The Ukrainian navy has around 25 warships including one submarine, 15 support vessels of different categories and around 15,000 men under arms, 10,000 of whom are based on the Crimean Peninsula.

Zvyagintsev and another senior commander decline to say how many Ukrainian sailors serve on this desolate base, which nestles in a landscape dotted with little apart from wind turbines and rundown Soviet-era apartment blocks.

They say they don't have the technical equipment - cutters and cranes - to remove the sunken ships blocking them in.

Though facing what they euphemistically describe as a "complex situation," black humour prevails.

"It's even quite satisfying that the Russian Black Sea Fleet considers my ships to be so battle-ready that they have left behind the Moskva, a ship that is designed to sink aircraft carriers," said Zvyagintsev with a wry smile.

Eight warships from Russia's Black Sea Fleet initially blockaded the Ukrainians' exit to the Black Sea here, but now that the scuttled ships prevent navigation, only the Moskva remained, he said.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2014 01:11 pm
Quote:
The United Nations Charter, which forms the basis for international law, forbids countries from starting wars of aggression. Russia, however, is convinced that military intervention across its border does fall under international law. Putin has justified sending soldiers to Crimea on the grounds that the lives of Russian compatriots are in danger.

Talmon: Events in Crimea do not conform with international law
However, Stefan Talmon, a professor of international law at the University of Bonn, argues that Putin is wrong. "There is no circumstance under international law in which it is permissible to send armed troops into another country to protect sections of the population there," he said


http://www.dw.de/crimea-a-breach-of-international-law/a-17483425

But according to the UN when it wants to "protect" certain segments of the nations population it can authorize bombing runs (Libya) and can invade counties (bosnia). How convenient that it thinks it gets to make the laws because clearly the UN believes that using military force to protect civilians is justified .
revelette2
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2014 02:01 pm
Not only is Russia blocking Ukraine's Navy but also we are sending warships to the black sea.
Russian troops storm military post in Crimea as U.S. sends warship to the Black Sea after talks between Obama and Putin break down


The Ukraine crisis took a dramatic turn last night when Russian troops stormed a key command post in Crimea.

While no shots were fired, it is the first time the Russians have used force to increase their grip on the disputed peninsula.

The act of aggression took place in the strategic port of Sevastopol, home of Russia's Black Sea fleet, which includes 24 warships, two submarines and 16,000 sailors and marines.

Tensions were already high yesterday when a U.S. warship arrived in the Black Sea. The arrival of the guided missile destroyer USS Truxtun was officially described as ‘routine’ by Washington.

But its presence was seen as hugely significant just hours after the Pentagon unveiled a large increase in air power in the region.

Last night Russian leader Vladimir Putin appeared relaxed as he officially opened the Winter Paralympic Games in the Black Sea resort of Sochi.

The president was centre stage once again as he was watched by hundreds of millions on TV at the games – which will still be attended by Ukraine athletes despite calls for their withdrawal.

Meanwhile, the US has been dispatching warplanes in an effort to reassure allies alarmed by Russia’s effective seizure of Ukraine’s Crimea peninsula. Six F-15 jets and one KC-135 refuelling aircraft were sent to join Nato patrols in the Baltics. A further dozen F-16 fighters will be deployed next week.

The increase in US military muscle in the region came as the Turkish Air Force scrambled six F-16 fighter jets after a Russian surveillance plane flew along its Black Sea coast. Georgia also sent up its warplanes this week.




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Tensions continued to rise yesterday following a declaration from Ukraine that ‘no one in the civilised world’ would recognise a planned referendum by the Crimean parliament on joining Russia.


Mr Putin again rebuffed a warning from US President Barack Obama over Moscow’s military intervention in Crimea, insisting that the Kremlin could not ignore calls for help from Russian speakers in Ukraine.

After an hour-long telephone call, Mr Putin said Moscow and Washington were still far apart on the situation in the former Soviet republic, where he said the new authorities had taken ‘absolutely illegitimate decisions on the eastern, south eastern and Crimea regions’.

‘Russia cannot ignore calls for help and it acts accordingly, in full compliance with international law,’ he said.











Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2014 02:22 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

Not only is Russia blocking Ukraine's Navy but also we are sending warships to the black sea.
I'd posted a photo yesterday ...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2014 05:39 pm
@hawkeye10,
Typical Whackeye stupidity. Bosmia was not invaded. In both Libya and Kosovo, the operations were run by NATO, not the UN.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2014 04:03 am
The latest.

Quote:
The US has warned Russia that any moves to annex Crimea would close the door to diplomacy.

US Secretary of State John Kerry told Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov that Crimea is part of Ukraine and Moscow should avoid military escalation.

Meanwhile, US President Barack Obama has been discussing the deepening crisis with world leaders.

It comes as warning shots were fired as a team of international observers was turned back from entering Crimea.

The Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) said that no-one was hurt in the incident at Armyansk.

It was the third time the OSCE has been prevented from entering Crimea, now in the control of pro-Russian forces.
Moscow has been tightening its military grip on the Crimean peninsula, and the pro-Russian authorities there have called a 16 March referendum to secede from Ukraine and join Russia.

The exchange between Mr Kerry and Mr Lavrov came in a telephone conversation on Saturday, a US State Department official said.

"He (John Kerry) made clear that continued military escalation and provocation in Crimea or elsewhere in Ukraine, along with steps to annex Crimea to Russia would close any available space for diplomacy, and he urged utmost restraint," the official said.

'Artificial crisis'

Russian President Vladimir Putin has insisted he has the right to protect Russian interests and the rights of ethnic Russians in Crimea.

Mr Lavrov had earlier said that the crisis in Ukraine was "created artificially for purely geopolitical reasons".

He confirmed that Russia had contacts with Ukraine's interim government but said Kiev was beholden to the radical right.

Speaking to reporters in Moscow on Saturday, he said: "We are ready to continue a dialogue [with the West] on the understanding that a dialogue should be honest and partner-like, and without attempts to make us look like a party to the conflict. We didn't create this crisis."

As diplomatic efforts to resolve the crisis continued, President Obama held individual conversations on Saturday with British Prime Minister David Cameron, Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi and French President Francois Hollande, the White House said.

"The leaders reiterated their grave concern over Russia's clear violation of international law and reaffirmed their support for Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity," a statement said.
Mr Obama also held a conference call with Latvian President Andris Berzins, Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite and Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves. The three Baltic states were all part of the former Soviet Union.

Earlier, the French presidency said Mr Hollande and Mr Obama discussed "new measures" against Russia if it failed to act to defuse the crisis.

They insisted on the "need for Russia to withdraw forces sent to Crimea since the end of February and to do everything to allow the deployment of international observers," Mr Hollande's office said.

It was not clear what "new measures" could entail.
Witnesses travelling with the OSCE said several shots were fired in the air as a convoy of vehicles approached a checkpoint manned by pro-Russian forces on a road leading from mainland Ukraine into the Crimea peninsula.

An OSCE spokeswoman said that the mission was withdrawing to the nearest big city, Kherson, to decide on its next steps.

The Vienna-based OSCE was invited by Ukraine's interim government, but Russian separatist authorities in Crimea say it does not have permission to enter the region.

Volunteers sworn in

Ukraine's crisis began in late November when President Viktor Yanukovych abandoned a landmark deal with the EU in favour of closer ties with Russia.

After weeks of protests in which more than 100 protesters were killed, Mr Yanukovych fled Ukraine and opposition leaders formed an interim government.
With no guns left, road spikes are the base's last line of defence, as Ben Brown reports

Russia effectively took control of Crimea - where its Black Sea Fleet is based - more than a week ago.

In the Crimean capital Simferopol on Saturday, the man named as prime minister of Crimea, Sergei Aksyonov, held a ceremony to swear in pro-Russian self-defence volunteers as members of what he called a new Crimean army.

Witnesses said about 30 armed men, from a wide age range, were sworn in at a city park.

Reports suggested Russia was ramping up its military presence in Crimea on Saturday.

Dozens of military trucks transporting heavily armed soldiers arrived at a military airfield at Gvardeiskoe north of Simferopol on Saturday, AP news agency reported.

Licence plates and numbers indicated they were from the Moscow region, the report said.

In a more positive development on Saturday, Russia's deputy foreign minister held talks with Ukraine's ambassador in Moscow.

The foreign ministry gave no details but said the talks on Saturday between deputy minister Grigory Karasin and ambassador Volodymyr Yelchenko were held in an "open atmosphere".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26501716
revelette2
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2014 06:38 am

Quote:
Russian forces have taken control of a Ukrainian border guard post in western Crimea, trapping 30 personnel inside.


The latest move by the Russians to tighten their grip on Crimea was made without the firing of guns – unlike on Saturday, when a Ukrainian border patrol plane was fired at, and European monitors trying to enter Crimea were repelled by "warning shots" from balaclava-clad militias.


The capture of the Chernomorskoye border post – the 11th so far – unfolded without bloodshed before dawn.


Russian forces' seizure of the southern Ukrainian region, which began 11 days ago, has been without open combat. Ukrainian troops are trapped in a number of bases but have offered no armed resistance.


The latest seizure came as William Hague demanded Russia joins formal negotiations over the crisis in Ukraine, as pressure grows for talks under the terms of a treaty in which the Kremlin guaranteed the independence of the former Soviet state.


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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2014 08:17 am
@revelette2,
AP news-feed: Ukrainian PM: Won't budge '1 centimeter' from Ukrainian land
Quote:
[...] "This is our land," Arseniy Yatsenyuk told a crowd gathered at the Kiev statue to writer and nationalist Taras Shevchenko. "Our fathers and grandfathers have spilled their blood for this land. And we won't budge a single centimeter from Ukrainian land. Let Russia and its president know this."
[...]
Later Sunday, following an extraordinary meeting of the Ukrainian government, Yatsenyuk announced he would be flying this week to the United States for high-level talks on "resolution of the situation in Ukraine," the Interfax news agency reported. [...]
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2014 09:13 am
Satirical map of Europe (in 1914, "German view")
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zpsdffe6e93.jpg

Crimea is shown as smoke, Ukraine being a gun-powder barrel ... that will blow up Russia:

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/b_zps898d1b3b.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2014 09:21 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Source: Reuters - Sun, 9 Mar 2014 02:47 PM

Quote:
MOSCOW, March 9 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin defended breakaway moves by the pro-Russian leaders of Crimea on Sunday in a phone call with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and British Prime Minister David Cameron.

The three leaders spoke amid tensions on the Black Sea peninsula since the Moscow-backed regional parliament declared the Ukrainian region part of Russia and announced a March 16 referendum to confirm this..

"Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin underlined in particular that the steps taken by Crimea's legitimate authorities are based on international law and aimed at guaranteeing the legitimate interests of the peninsula's population," the Kremlin said.

"The Russian president also drew the attention of his interlocutors to the lack of any action by the present authorities in Kiev to limit the rampant behaviour of ultra-nationalists and radical forces in the capital and in many regions," it said in a written statement.

Putin has said that Ukraine's new leaders seized power in an unconstitutional armed coup and that Russia has the right to invade Ukraine to protect Russians living in the former Soviet republic.

Russian officials have been increasingly portraying Kiev's leadership as radical nationalists backed by the West, but the European Union and the United States have condemned Moscow's move as interfering with Ukrainian territorial integrity.

"Despite the differences in the assessments of what is happening, they (Putin, Merkel, Cameron) expressed a common interest in de-escalation of the tensions and normalisation of the situation as soon as possible," the Kremlin said.

German Vice-Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel said in an interview published on Sunday that he had told Putin at a meeting in Moscow last week that he should think about the impact of his decisions on the future of Europe.

"I told him that he personally has a big responsibility to prevent the threat of a new division of Europe," he told Spiegel magazine. Asked how he found Putin, Gabriel said: "Friendly in his tone but firm on the issue".

Gabriel said from a European viewpoint, Russia's course of action in Crimea was "quite simply against international law".

"We need a de-escalation and that can only happen via talks. It's not a question now of whether we react in a 'hard' or 'soft' manner; rather we have to act in a clever manner," he said.

(Reporting by Lidia Kelly in Moscow and by Michelle Martin in Berlin, Writing by Lidia Kelly, Editing by Timothy Heritage)
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2014 09:45 am
And now it starts to kick off.

Quote:
Pro-Ukrainian activists have been beaten up by pro-Russian groups at a rally in Crimea's city of Sevastopol.

The activists were attacked with whips, a BBC reporter at the scene says, describing the scenes as very ugly.

Russian troops and allied militias are now in de-facto control of Ukraine's autonomous region ahead of a referendum, which Kiev says is illegal.

Meanwhile, the leaders of Russia, the UK and Germany held urgent talks on the phone to discuss the crisis in Ukraine.

"Despite the differences in assessing the situation, common interest was expressed to de-escalate tension and normalise the situation as soon as possible," said a statement on Russian President Vladimir Putin's website.

Quote:
Ben Brown

BBC News, Sevastopol
It started peacefully. Ukrainians - many of them middle-aged women - waved flags and sang songs to celebrate the birth 200 years ago of Ukrainian poet Taras Shevchenko. They see him as the father of the Ukrainian language.

But by the end of the rally, pro-Russian demonstrators had turned up to gatecrash the celebrations. A line of young men and Cossacks with whips stood and glared at the rally menacingly - tension rose, and arguments broke out, both sides telling each other that Crimea is "our country".

Then it turned nasty, very nasty. The pro-Russians chased a group into a nearby car park. First, they set upon the driver of a white van, smashing his windscreen. He tried to drive through the mob to get away but crashed into another vehicle and was attacked again.

Another person was dragged into some bushes, kicked, beaten and lashed with a Cossack's whip.

We were threatened, too, by the pro-Russians and ran away before they set upon us as well. It was a terrifying moment, and a glimpse into the abyss that Crimea now teeters over.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26503478
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2014 09:53 am
@izzythepush,
On Radio 4 today there was an interview with a Russian Crimean who was moving to Kiev. He said he feared for the safety of his 4 year old daughter if he stayed in Crimea. He had been to Moscow and witnessed Russian 'democracy' and lack of free speech, and wanted no part of it. When questioned about 'fascists' in Kiev he said it was a myth, he had been to Kiev, the people were friendly and respectful of minorities.

The Russian speaking Ukrainians (RSUs), are starting to split along generations, the older more conservative RSUs still look to Moscow, the younger generations are beginning to look West.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2014 10:04 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

And now it starts to kick off.

Quote:
Pro-Ukrainian activists have been beaten up by pro-Russian groups at a rally in Crimea's city of Sevastopol.

The activists were attacked with whips, a BBC reporter at the scene says, describing the scenes as very ugly.

Russian troops and allied militias are now in de-facto control of Ukraine's autonomous region ahead of a referendum, which Kiev says is illegal.

Meanwhile, the leaders of Russia, the UK and Germany held urgent talks on the phone to discuss the crisis in Ukraine.

"Despite the differences in assessing the situation, common interest was expressed to de-escalate tension and normalise the situation as soon as possible," said a statement on Russian President Vladimir Putin's website.

Quote:
Ben Brown

BBC News, Sevastopol
It started peacefully. Ukrainians - many of them middle-aged women - waved flags and sang songs to celebrate the birth 200 years ago of Ukrainian poet Taras Shevchenko. They see him as the father of the Ukrainian language.

But by the end of the rally, pro-Russian demonstrators had turned up to gatecrash the celebrations. A line of young men and Cossacks with whips stood and glared at the rally menacingly - tension rose, and arguments broke out, both sides telling each other that Crimea is "our country".

Then it turned nasty, very nasty. The pro-Russians chased a group into a nearby car park. First, they set upon the driver of a white van, smashing his windscreen. He tried to drive through the mob to get away but crashed into another vehicle and was attacked again.

Another person was dragged into some bushes, kicked, beaten and lashed with a Cossack's whip.

We were threatened, too, by the pro-Russians and ran away before they set upon us as well. It was a terrifying moment, and a glimpse into the abyss that Crimea now teeters over.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26503478


This all sounds very melodramatic. The inclusion of whips makes me wonder if Central Casting was called in to make sure the scene had authenticity?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2014 10:11 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
This all sounds very melodramatic.
You seem to have some peculiar funny understandings about melodramas. Or special filters on your computer, tv, radio and glasses.
Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2014 10:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:
This all sounds very melodramatic.
You seem to have some peculiar funny understandings about melodramas. Or special filters on your computer, tv, radio and glasses.


It's a melodrama, since the ending should be understood by anyone that knows that Russia plays better chess than Europe and the U.S., so to speak, in my opinion. Meanwhile, any of the dead in Kiev was not done by Russian soldiers. Ukranians might not realize they are being handled with "kid gloves" by the Russians. It was that Tom Hanks movie, Forest Gump, that had the famous quote from the mother, "Stupid is, as stupid does."
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2014 12:24 pm
@revelette2,
Animals left to starve to death in Ukrainian zoo as new government of debt-ridden country divert funds elsewhere
///////

A perfect chance for Farmerman the "academic" to sing another refrain of "Nobody does it better".
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