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COUP IN KYIV?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 09:26 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

I was mainly interested in the expanding Russian military and how it possibly ties in with its interest in Crimea. Or maybe not, might be a bit of a stretch.
Well, American air force bases in Kyrgyzstan seems to be a bit of expanding, too.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 09:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The OSCE observers returned. They'll tomorrow again to get on Crimea - introducing observers to Crimea is a key Western demand.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 09:36 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Not really, Russia let us use after 9/11 to base our military jets and stuff for refueling....


Quote:
In the wake of the September 11, 2001 plane attacks on US cities, Moscow said it had no objections to the US and its allies using Central Asia for deployment and transit of troops and cargo to neighbouring Afghanistan.

But the Kremlin has since become wary of the foreign military presence in its former imperial backyard.

Kyrgyzstan, a mainly Muslim nation of 5.5 million, remains poor and volatile after violent revolts that have deposed two presidents since 2005. It lies on a drug-trafficking route out of Afghanistan and next door to China, which is boosting its economic ties with resource-rich Central Asia.(Reuters)

After his election in 2011, Kyrgyz President Almazbek Atambayev assured Moscow the US air base would be shut. In December 2012 he ratified a deal leasing the base to Russia for 15 years from January 2017, after Moscow agreed to write off some $500 million of Kyrgyz debts. The agreement can be automatically extended for five years after its expiry


(from the link of my previous post)
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 09:38 am
@Lordyaswas,
Quote:
Energy independence is the first step.


According to Parkinson's Law energy independence is impossible.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 09:53 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Just published: Tartars fear ethnic conflict in Crimea
Quote:
Crimean Tartars - whose ties to the region pre-dates Russia's 18th century conquest - say they distrust Moscow's intentions considering past history dating back to imperial times and more recently the 20th century when Crimean Tartars were deported to Central Asia.
As pro-Russia soldiers continue to occupy towns across Crimea, leaders among the ethnic minority have begun mobilizing their own unarmed field patrols to prevent escalation or inter-ethnic conflict.
[...]
The main fear many people in Crimea voice, is that that agent provocateurs working for pro-Russia nationalists or Kremlin security services, could launch attacks used to justify Russian military intervention.
[...]
Relations between ethnic Tartars and local Ukrainians and Russians have been good up till now, says Ahtem Chiygoz, head of the local Mejlis, the traditional council established for Crimean Tartars since they returned to this region from their exile in Central Asia.

"People of different nationalities who live here would never do such a thing it could only come from elsewhere," Chiygoz said. "We are expecting according to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin's plan, [that what could happen is that ] groups of people [posing as] Crimean Tartars [could start] attacking ethnic Russian families -or the opposite."
[...]
And as Crimea's de facto authorities push for a referendum on independence for March 16 - just 10 days from the date of the announcement - there are fears that political tensions could shatter the communal peace that's held in this region since the Second World War.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 10:08 am
@revelette2,
"USS Truxtun" passing the Bosporus on its way to the Black Sea

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zpsbc6a28c8.jpg
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zps44b9a70f.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 10:11 am
@Walter Hinteler,
. Reuters reports on a visit to Crimea by Dunja Mijatovic, a top European official on media freedoms:

She was greeted on the Ukrainian Black Sea peninsula by a hostile crowd holding anti-Western placards outside a building where she met local media chiefs.

“This poster says ‘Press Freedom’,” the envoy, Dunja Mijatovic, said with irony as she pored over a laptop showing a digital photo of the protesters in Simferopol, Crimea’s main city. “It was very clear they don’t want me.”

Mijatovic, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s Representative on Freedom of the Media, will deliver a report to the pan-Europe human rights watchdog next week.

What she found on her one-day visit on Wednesday, she said, were signs that Crimea’s self-appointed rulers are clamping down on media freedom and trying to silence their critics.

“It’s very worrying, the atmosphere, the conditions journalists work in, the attitude of the authorities, no rule of law,” said Mijatovic, a Bosnian who has been warning of the problems facing independent media in Ukraine for months.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 10:37 am
Meanwhile, Russia has slapped a new import duty on American caviar (which they eat quite a bit of: “Alaskan caviar saved Russia’s winter holiday season after a poor domestic harvest in the Far East last year”, according to RIA.)

Minimal import tariffs on American caviar were increased from $7 to $14 per kilogram of caviar, according to an RBC Daily newspaper report cited by RIA.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 11:41 am
@Walter Hinteler,

A spokesman for Russian president Vladimir Putin has told reporters that Moscow does not see a new Cold War, according to an RIA report translated by Alan Yuhas (@AlanYuhas):

Asked whether ongoing events were the beginning of a “cold war”, Dmitry Peskov said: “I hope not. I believe this isn’t [a cold war], I believe one won’t begin, and I want to believe that one won’t begin.”

“There still remains hope...that some points of agreement can be found as a result of dialogue - which our partners, thank God, have not yet rejected,” RIA quoted Peskov as saying.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 11:43 am
I suppose the 1% is going to have pay a little more on caviar. I have never eaten it in my life and have little desire to do so.

In the meanwhile,

China to Russia: You're putting us in a tight spot

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China's instinct is to stand by its strategic partner, but Russia's intervention in Ukraine's Crimea appears to violate China's principle of strict state sovereignty.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 11:49 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
I suppose the 1% is going to have pay a little more on caviar

are you aware that caviar is so mainstream that Costco sells it?
revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 12:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
No, I was not aware, what's more, I don't know who or what Costco is. I guess Obama better back off so Americans can pay less for their caviar.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 12:21 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

I suppose the 1% is going to have pay a little more on caviar. I have never eaten it in my life and have little desire to do so.
In Russia, caviar is quite a common (and rather cheap) food - to keep the price low they've imported American caviar.

Alaskan caviar imports drive down prices in Russia
Quote:
[...] ... Alaskan fisherman caught approximately 600,000 tons of pink salmon, with an average caviar yield of about 24,000 tons.
“Since there’s little interest in caviar in America, a large amount will be exported — particularly to Russia,” the institute’s director, Mikhail Glubokovsky, said. In the expert’s opinion, this indicates that the price for caviar might decline even further, meaning neither producers nor processors will be able to achieve a satisfactory margin.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 12:27 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
In the meanwhile,

China to Russia: You're putting us in a tight spot

Quote:
China's instinct is to stand by its strategic partner, but Russia's intervention in Ukraine's Crimea appears to violate China's principle of strict state sovereignty.


Thanks for that. I was wondering what was China's take on all of this.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 02:45 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
In London there is a vodka and caviar bar, not sure where exactly, something else I heard on Radio 4.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 03:49 pm
@izzythepush,
Very dramatic scenes now on Crimea ...

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zps29f60ea9.jpg
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 03:53 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
You're right, this is what the BBC says.

Quote:
Pro-Russian soldiers are reported to have stormed a Ukrainian military base outside the Crimean city of Sevastopol, before withdrawing soon afterwards.

A BBC correspondent saw two lorries from Russia's Black Sea Fleet outside the gates, surrounded by armed men.

But no shots are believed to have been fired, and the assailants and lorries reportedly left after "negotiations".

Troops wearing Russian uniform without insignia have blockaded bases since taking control of Crimea last week.

Some military installations and other buildings in the peninsula have been taken over, but both sides have so far held their fire.

Journalists beaten

On Friday evening, the Interfax-Ukraine news agency reported that about 100 Ukrainian personnel were stationed at missile defence base A2355.

Citing a duty officer and Ukraine's defence ministry, the agency said a lorry had rammed open the gates of the facility and about 20 "attackers" had entered, throwing stun grenades.

The Ukrainian troops immediately barricaded themselves inside a building and their commander began negotiations before any shots were fired, it added.

The BBC's Christian Fraser, who visited the scene, said the gates did not appear to have been driven through, and there was no sign that the base had been seized.

There were two military lorries with Russian number plates outside the gates, surrounded by irregular soldiers and a very hostile crowd of pro-Russian demonstrators, our correspondent adds.

Two journalists who attempted to take photographs were beaten badly.

Later, a Ukrainian officer told a Daily Telegraph journalist that the stand-off had ended after the "talks", and that the Russian lorries and about 30 to 60 Russians troops had withdrawn.

The incident comes hours after Russian parliamentarians gave a standing ovation to a delegation of pro-Moscow politicians from Crimea, promising support if they wanted to become part of Russia.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26492053
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 04:00 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zpsae4d067d.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 04:27 pm
@izzythepush,
• A series of low-level but tense standoffs persisted on the Crimean peninsula, as Russian forces backed by reportedly aggressive irregular militias held positions outside Ukrainian bases and at key border posts.

• Russian troops stormed a gate at a Ukrainian military post outside Sevastopol Friday night and threatened to shoot to kill, the deputy commander of the base told the Guardian. There were no reports of shots fired.

• The Russians reportedly left sometime after local “self-defense” forces arrived. The “self-defense” forces beat a media cameraman, according to journalists at the scene.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 04:52 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Russian forces backed by reportedly aggressive irregular militias held positions outside Ukrainian bases and at key border posts.


that's the problem, it's easy letting irregular militias off the lead, it's a lot harder calling them to heel. Putin has opened a real can of worms.
 

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