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COUP IN KYIV?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 01:54 pm
@Lordyaswas,
I've already posted the answer yesterday: it is a NATO-force, the planes come alternatively from different NATO-countries. (Last year, it was Belgium, if I remember correctly.)
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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 01:57 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
No, on this post Quoted here. It sounded like some new 'Mercan ones were being sent.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 01:59 pm
@Lordyaswas,
Probably the Harrier jump jets the Tories sold them.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 02:01 pm
@Lordyaswas,
Putin had better watch his step because in 2017 our new aircraft carrier will begin sea trials, still no aircraft, but sea trials.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 02:12 pm
@Lordyaswas,
The US had only four or six there (I'm too lazy to look it up) Now, they send some more.

(I do know that a German squadron with about ten jets had been there when we were on duty.)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 02:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
This mission started in 2004, when the Baltic states became full NATO-members. It was originally believed that the patrol flights would end in 2007. However, the Baltic leaders asked to extend the mission. As a result, the mission continues (at least until 2018, it was said in 2012).

More here at wikipedia
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 02:49 pm
The city of Sevastopol declares that it will participate in the announced 16 March referendum on joining the Russian Federation. Sevastopol is not technically part of the Crimean autonomous republic.

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zps1d650998.jpg
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revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 04:17 pm

Quote:
The Crimean parliament voted to join Russia Thursday, dramatically escalating tensions in Ukraine as Russian forces tightened their grip on the ground.


Deepening the worst East-West crisis since the Cold War, MPs in the majority ethnic-Russian peninsula agreed to put the question of secession from Ukraine to a referendum on March 16.


The motion, passed by 78 out of 86 MPs, was immediately condemned by Ukrainian authorities and Western powers as illegitimate and in breach of Ukraine’s constitution. Washington responded quickly, mobilising its military assets in the region and placing visa bans on Ukrainian and Russian officials it deemed responsible for destabilising Crimea.


The European Union then took bigger steps than expected towards sanctions against Russia. It committed to a “three-step approach”, beginning with the immediate suspension of trade and visa liberalisation talks with Russia and a boycott of a G8 summit due to be held in Sochi in June.


Unless Russia agrees to talk to Ukraine via a contact group of mediators, including the US, Britain, Germany, France, Italy and Poland, or to allow international observers into the Crimea over the next week, the EU will follow the US by hitting Russian officials with sanctions. “Such negotiations need to start within the next few days and produce results within a limited time frame,” said the summit statement. “In the absence of such results the EU will decide on additional measures, such as travel bans, asset freezes. The commission will take forward preparatory work on these measures.”





In a substantial scaling up of the pressure on Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, the EU has threatened an economic blockade if he breaks up Ukraine by supporting Crimea’s bid to join Russia. “Any further steps by the Russian Federation to destabilise the situation in Ukraine would lead to severe and far-reaching consequences for relations between the EU and the Russian Federation which will include a broad range of economic areas,” a statement read.

David Cameron joined Lithuania and Poland by comparing Russia’s actions to the rise of Nazi Germany in the Thirties and warned of the dangers of appeasing countries that invaded other European nations. “We are at a dangerous moment. The territorial integrity of an independent nation has been violated,” he said. “What has happened with respect to the Crimea is unacceptable and there can be no business as usual with Russia.

“Russia has acted in flagrant breach of international law. This matters to the people of Britain because we depend on a world where countries obey the rules; and this matters because this is happening in our own neighbourhood on the European continent where for the last 70 years we have worked so hard to keep the peace.”

Wider diplomatic efforts to defuse the crisis stalled, with a second round of talks in two days between John Kerry, the US Secretary of State and Sergei Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister ending without agreement.

Thursday, gunmen at an improvised checkpoint on Crimea’s regional border with the rest of Ukraine blocked a group of 40 unarmed military observers from carrying out an inspection mission requested by Ukraine’s government.

A spokesman for the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe said they were “prevented from entering Crimean territory”. A Western diplomatic source said that the gunmen, who did not identify themselves, were “very professional – this was not some militia”.


source
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 04:41 pm
@revelette2,
Cameron the stunning hypocrite: “Russia has acted in flagrant breach of international law. This matters to the people of Britain because we depend on a world where countries obey the rules; and this matters because this is happening in our own neighbourhood on the European continent where for the last 70 years we have worked so hard to keep the peace.”
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Why do you think it is, Rev, that these western politicians can state such obvious lies, can illustrate the grandest hypocrisy and no one seems to catch it?

It comes out of Kerry, Obama and others mouths all the time.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 06:42 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
That's what I've been hearing. If I could trust that this was the beginning and end of Putin's aspirations - the ports on Crimea - I wouldn't be so negative about it.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 06:43 pm
@izzythepush,
It is said that the recent power shift was considered a threat to Russian interests on Crimea. I think the argument can be made.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 06:48 pm
@izzythepush,
Even though we don't approve of Putin's methods, we should be able to discuss dispassionately cause, effect, and possible motives without someone swinging from a tree yelling "appeaser."
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 06:54 pm
@Setanta,
..pawns or spawns... (sharply raises left eyebrow)
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 08:20 pm
@Lash,
Lash: If I could trust that this was the beginning and end of Putin's aspirations - the ports on Crimea - I wouldn't be so negative about it.

Why are you such a hypocrite, Lash? Why is it so much a part of an american's makeup?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 12:05 am
At least, Obama and Putin are talking (phoning). And lawron and Kerry will meet again ...
glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 12:18 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter, I know what you reported is correct, do you think that this will work?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 02:18 am
@Lash,
How else would you describe giving Putin everything he wanted with no consequences whatsoever?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 02:49 am
@glitterbag,
50:50. There will be a compromise ...
Reuters is quoting the chair of Russia’s upper house of parliament, the federation council, via the RIA Novosti news agency, as saying the upper house will support Crimean residents if they vote in favour of joining the Russian Federation. That wasn’t the desired reaction from yesterday’s tough talk in Brussels and Washington.
... with a plus on Putin's/Russia's/Crimea's side.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 02:53 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Crimean authorities take two more broadcasters off air

The independent Ukraine television stations Channel 5 and Channel 1+1 aren't to watch anymore on Crimea.

Quote:
According to local journalists in Crimea and news reports, regional authorities in the administrative center Simferopol stopped transmitting the two privately owned broadcasters' analogue signals to the peninsula today on the order of Sergei Aksenov, the recently appointed pro-Russian prime minister of the region. Earlier this week his government threatened in a statement to "shut off the flow of deceitful and biased information in order to save the public from negative impact," the independent news website Lenta reported.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 03:08 am
I think, at first "we" really must know what Putin/Russia and Ukraine/Crimea want (there doesn't seem to be a really functional administration/government in Ukraine).
Secondly, "we" have to define our own goals and then decide what "we" are willing to pay for those. I'm not sure, if "we" really know what the goals are ... but no-one seems to willing to pay a lot for them.
 

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