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COUP IN KYIV?

 
 
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2014 11:56 pm
Switzerland - Assets of 18 Ukranians frozen. Investigation started into Yanukovitch and 'others' re. Money laundering.

Austria - Assets of 20 Ukranians frozen.

(Info from France24 News)
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 12:21 am
@Lordyaswas,
Also a top Ukranian surgeon interviewed in Kiev (in scrubs, at work) stating categorically that at least twenty of the dead protestors had single bullet wounds directly to the heart or head, and has no doubt whatsoever that they were victims of police snipers. (France24)
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Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 12:23 am
@Lordyaswas,
What is the relevance of events in Kiev (as well as Crimea) to the avg world citizen? One the most disturbing things is that in Ukraine there are nukes and the possibility of one getting loose and in the wrong hands is a bit greater than it was before these current events. Bad combination of less security...more anarchy..and hostilities bodes badly.

As of in 1991, it was reported that Ukraine had 3rd largest nuclear armament in the world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 12:59 am
@Ragman,
"Security" seems one of the reasons why the Russians are so "concerned".
(The Ukraine doesn't have own nuclear weapons - similar like here in Germany, where those are kept by the US-forces.)

The relevance for an average world citizen? Well, the Ukraine borders EU- and NATO-member-states, so certainly it's more an European affair.
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 01:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
No! It's clearly a world affair as the threat to security (as well as ensuing nuclear pollution from a detonation) with loose nukes affects everyone.

Apparently 'Mother Russia' can't guarantee all their nukes are under their scrutiny..so the numerous nukes which are located in Ukraine being held there...is not 100% accounted for.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 02:33 am
The prime minister of Ukraine’s Autonomous Crimea Republic has reportedly claimed control of the military, police, secret service etc and appealed to Russia for help maintaining order amid growing tensions.
Sergei Aksenov declared that the armed forces, the police, the national security service and border guards will answer only to his orders. He said any commanders who object should leave their posts.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 02:58 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
You're like George W Bush declaring mission accomplished, so desperate to be right. Most of the Russian troops were in Crimea already, Putin's even managed to get the support of the Crimean prime minister.

Quote:
"I appeal to the president of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, to provide assistance in ensuring peace and tranquillity on the territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea," Serhiy Aksyonov said in a statement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26394846

Crimea was always a special case, it's a far cry from an all out invasion of Ukraine, so stop salivating.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 03:01 am
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:
Apparently 'Mother Russia' can't guarantee all their nukes are under their scrutiny..


Well they would say that wouldn't they. It strengthens the argument for beefing up their presence in Ukraine.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 03:28 am
Ah, i love the sound of sabers rattling in the morning.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 03:39 am
@izzythepush,
Crimea has been Russian since 1783 until 1954. From 1954 it was part (as an autonomous region/oblast) of the Ukrainian SSR, a republic within the USSR.
Since 1992, the Republic of Crimea is part of the Ukraine as an autonomous republic.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 04:03 am
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:
so the numerous nukes which are located in Ukraine being held there...is not 100% accounted for.

I seriously doubt there are any nuclear weapons presently in Ukraine.

If there are, all of them are on board Russian warships and highly secure.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 04:17 am
According to ITN’s James Mates, Russian troops are clearly patrolling Crimean cities.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 04:22 am
@Walter Hinteler,
From the Guardian's blog:

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Here are the facts that Russia Today thinks are relevant about the Crimea. It does not mention Russian troops taking over parts of Ukrainian sovereign territory beyond that given to it by agreement.
It concludes:

"Russia repeatedly confirmed it does not doubt Crimea is a part of Ukraine, even though it understands the emotions of the residents of the region. This week Russian MPs initiated a bill that will allow Russian citizenship within six month if the applicant successfully proves his or her Russian ethnicity. It is prepared especially to save Russian-speaking Ukrainians from possible infringement of their rights."
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 04:28 am
@Walter Hinteler,
RT's take on all this. Note no mention of Russian troops in Crimea.

Quote:
With its multinational society and a long history of conquests, the Crimean Peninsula has always been a crossroads of cultures – and a hotbed of conflicts. Amid Ukrainian turmoil, every ethnic group of Crimeans has its own vision of the region’s future.

What is Crimea?

Now known as Autonomous Republic of Crimea, the picturesque peninsula shooting out into Black Sea from mainland Ukraine was for centuries colonized and conquered by historic empires and nomadic tribes. Greeks, Scythians, Byzantians and the Genoese have all left traces of their presence in Crimean archeological sites and placenames.
The Russian Empire annexed the territory of Crimea in the last quarter of the 18th century, after a number of bloody wars with the Ottoman Empire.

As part of the 1774 Kuchuk-Kainarji peace treaty the Crimean Khanate, previously subordinate to Ottomans and notorious for its brutal and perpetual slave raids into East Slavic lands, aligned itself with Russia. Soon Empress Catherine the Great abolished the Crimean Khanate, giving them a historic Greek name of Taurida.

Soviet citizens got to know Crimea as an “all-Union health resort,” with many of those born in the Soviet Union sharing nostalgic memories of children’s holiday camps and seaside.

Who lives there now?

The majority of those living in Crimea today are ethnic Russians – almost 1,200,000 or around 58.3 percent of the population, according to the last national census conducted back in 2001. Some 24 percent are Ukrainians (around 500,000) and 12 percent are Crimean Tatars. However, in the Crimea’s largest city of Sevastopol, which is considered a separate region of Crimea, there are very few Crimean Tatars and around 22 percent of Ukrainians, with over 70 percent of the population being Russians.
An absolute majority of the Crimean population (97 percent) use Russian as their main language, according to a Kiev International Institute of Sociology poll. One of the first decisions of the interim Kiev government directly hit Crimea, as it revoked a law that allowed Russian and other minority languages to be recognized as official in multicultural regions.

What's happening now?

After the Ukrainian President was ousted and an interim government was established in Kiev, the Russian majority started protesting outside the regional parliament, urging local MPs not to support it. They want the Autonomous Region to return to the constitution of 1992, under which Crimea briefly had its own president and independent foreign policy.

The parliament of the Crimean Autonomous Region was due to declare on Wednesday the region’s official position toward the new authorities in Kiev. The Mejlis of the Crimean Tatars has spoken out sharply against holding a parliamentary session on the issue, expressing their support for the new central authorities. Back in 2012 members of the Mejlis ran for parliamentary elections as part of Yulia Tymoshenko’s bloc and remain active supporters of the revolutionary Kiev government.

Two separate rallies, consisting of several thousand protesters, faced each other in front of the parliament building in the Crimean capital, Simferopol. Two people have died as a result of scuffles and stampede and about 30 were injured, before the head of the Mejlis, Refat Chubarov, called for the participants of the rally to go home peacefully. While the Mejlis represents only around 20 percent of the minority, they claim to be the voice of the whole Tatar population. Many of the Crimean Tatars actually participated in the stand-off on the side of pro-Russian forces.

Following the example of Kiev, vigilante groups are being formed, with about 3,500 people already patrolling the streets of Crimea along with police to prevent any provocations.

After the central government in Kiev disbanded the Berkut special police task force, new authorities in Sevastopol have refused to comply and welcomed all Berkut officers who feel intimidated to come to live in Crimea with their families. Sevastopol earlier elected a new mayor after the popular gathering ousted the local government, which tried to cling to power by pledging allegiance to Kiev’s new rulers.
Impact of 2014 change of power in Kiev

Turmoil in the Crimean Autonomous Region began after the new Ukrainian authorities revoked a law that gave legal grounds for regional use of minority languages, including Russian. The 2012 law allowed predominantly Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine to use Russian in official business, education and some other areas.

Official Kiev also proposed an initiative that would prohibit officials from the former regime from occupying official posts.

Abolition of the regional language law sparked controversy throughout Ukraine. Even in the most nationalistic western regions of the country, people spoke against the reforms.

In the stronghold of the far-right opposition, Lvov citizens announced a day of the Russian language, calling on all locals to speak Russian for one day in solidarity with the Russian population of Ukraine.

How was Crimea separated from Russia?

In 1954, a controversial decision of Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev, himself an ethnic Ukrainian, transferred the Crimea peninsula to the Ukrainian SSR, extracting it from Russian territory.

Following the breakup of the Soviet Union, Khrushchev’s “gift” has been widely criticized by many Russians, including the majority of those living in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.

Adding to the confusion was also the status of Soviet-era Sevastopol, which not only remained the largest Crimean city, but also retained its special strategic and military profile. In 1948, Sevastopol was separated from the surrounding region and made directly subordinate to Moscow. Serving as an important Soviet naval base, it remained a “closed city” for years.

In the 1990s, the status of Sevastopol became the subject of endless debates between Russia and Ukraine. Following negotiations, the city with the surrounding territories was granted a special “state significance” status within the Ukrainian state, and some of the naval facilities were leased to Russia for its Black Sea Fleet until at least 2047. However, the city’s Russian majority and some outspoken Russian politicians still consider it to be a part of Russia.

Ethnic controversy

By the beginning of the 20th century, Russians and the Crimean Tatars were equally predominant ethnic groups in Crimea, followed by Ukrainian, Jewish and other minorities. Crimea was both a royal resort and an inspiration for some of the great Russian poets, writers and artists, some of whom lived or were born there.

During WWII some 20,000 Crimean Tatars allied with the Nazi German occupants, but many others also fought the Germans within the Soviet Army. Citing the collaboration of Crimean Tatars with the Nazis, Joseph Stalin ordered the whole ethnic group to be deported from Crimea to several Central Asian Soviet republics. Officially, 183,155 people were deported from Crimea, followed by about 9,000 Crimean Tatar WWII veterans. That made up about 19 percent of the Crimean population on the eve of war, almost half of which was by then Russian.

While the move was officially criticized by the communist leadership as early as in 1967, the Tatars were de facto unable to return to Crimea until the late 1980s. The tragic events surrounding Stalin’s deportation obviously shaped the ethnic group’s detestation of the Soviet regime.

Referendums and hopes

In 1991, the people of Crimea took part in several referendums. One proclaimed the region an Autonomous Republic within the Soviet Union, with 93.26 percent of the voters supporting the move. As the events unfolded fast, another one was already asking if the Crimeans supported the independence of Ukraine from the Soviet Union – a question that gathered 54 percent support. However, a referendum on Crimea’s independence from Ukraine was indefinitely banned from being held, leading critics to assert that their lawful rights were oppressed by Kiev authorities.
Complicating the issue was the return of the Crimean Tatars, who not only started to resettle in tens of thousands, but also rivaled local authorities. The Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People was formed to represent the rights and interests of the ethnic minority. Although it was never officially recognized as an official organization, the body has enjoyed undisputed authority over most of Crimean Tatars and has successfully pushed for some concessions for the ethnic group in local laws.

While the Crimean Tatar re-settlers and the peninsula’s current Russian majority have learned to understand one another as neighbors, hardcore politicians from both ethnic groups also created grounds for a heated standoff. Calls for wider autonomy and aggressive lobbying for Crimean Tatar rights have prompted several pro-Russian Crimean political leaders to call the Mejlis an “organized criminal group” leading “unconstitutional” activities. The remarks sparked furious claims of “discrimination” from the Crimean Tatar community.

What happens next?

The ultimate goal of the ethnic Russian population protesting in Crimea is to hold a referendum on whether the region should retain its current status as an autonomous region in Ukraine, to become independent, or become part of Russia again. In the meantime, they claim to have a right to disobey orders of the “illegal” central government.
The Mejlis Tatar group, meanwhile, feels that ethnic Russians are trying to “tear Crimea away from Ukraine” excluding them from deciding the land’s fate. They however represent only a small portion of the Tatar minority, while the rest remain apolitical or even support the Crimea’s right for self-determination.

Right-wing radicals from Western Ukraine earlier threatened to send the so-called “trains of friendship” full of armed fighters in order to crush any signs of resistance to the revolution they were fighting so hard for.

The Kiev authorities busy with appointing roles in the revolutionary government in the meantime embraced a soft approach towards Crimea. The interim interior minister even did not undertake any “drastic measures” to arrest fugitive ousted President Yanukovich, fearing that may spark unrest.

Russia repeatedly confirmed it does not doubt Crimea is a part of Ukraine, even though it understands the emotions of the residents of the region. This week Russian MPs initiated a bill that will allow Russian citizenship within six month if the applicant successfully proves his or her Russian ethnicity. It is prepared especially to save Russian-speaking Ukrainians from possible infringement of their rights.


http://rt.com/news/crimea-facts-protests-politics-945/
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 04:40 am
There were a lot of very interesting interviews of ethnic Russians in the Crimean on CBC this morning. All of them evoked either the Great Patriotic War or used the term fascist to describe their opponents. A typical example was one man who said he was the son of a Russian admiral who had fought the fascists in the Great Patriotic War--thereby getting two emotive ideas into one rant. Many (but not all) of them called either for an independent Crimean state, or annexation by Russia. What was obvious in all the interviews was that feelings are running high in the ethnic Russian community.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 04:44 am
@Setanta,
Unfortunately a lot of far right supporters in Western Ukraine aren't doing much to dispel that sentiment.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 04:44 am
Quote:

Reuters snapping a report from Interfax which confirms Russian troops are guarding Crimean buildings.

PRO-RUSSIA PREMIER OF UKRAINE’S CRIMEA REGION SAYS RUSSIAN BLACK SEA FLEET SERVICEMEN ARE GUARDING SOME IMPORTANT BUILDINGS IN CRIMEA - INTERFAX
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 04:47 am
@Walter Hinteler,
A tweet by the Telegraph’s Roland Oliphant
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zps61ab831c.jpg
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 04:50 am
@izzythepush,
Indeed . . . there are a lot of players, and you can't tell the players without a score card. People tend to prefer neat, packaged ideas. All these groups with their different outlooks and goals are confusing for the observer who just wants someone to tell them what the story is, but nothing complicated, thank you.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2014 05:05 am
As for China, there's very little on China Daily's website about Ukraine. It's definitely not making headlines. After a bit of searching I found this.

Quote:
WASHINGTON -- US Vice President Joe Biden on Friday reaffirmed his country's "strong" support for Ukraine's new government, the White House said.

During his second telephone conversation with newly appointed Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk in two days, Biden also reiterated US commitment to the sovereignty, territorial integrity and democratic future of Ukraine, according to a White House statement.

In addition, the vice president commended the Ukrainian government for its continued restraint.

Yatsenyuk was quoted as emphasizing that the new government would uphold its international obligations and serve all the people of Ukraine.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2014-03/01/content_17314923.htm

Quote:
Ukraine protests over airspace violation

Armed men took control of two airports in the Crimea region on Friday in what the new Ukrainian leadership described as an invasion by Moscow's forces, and ousted President Viktor Yanukovich surfaced in Russia after a week on the run.

Yanukovich said Russia should use all means at its disposal to stop the chaos in Ukraine as tension rose on the Black Sea peninsula of Crimea, the only region with an ethnic Russian majority and the last major bastion of resistance to the overthrow of the Moscow-backed leader.

Kiev's border guard service said more than 10 Russian military helicopters had flown over the peninsula and Russian servicemen had blockaded one of its units in the port city of Sevastopol.

A serviceman at the scene confirmed that he was from Russia's Black Sea Fleet, part of which is based in Sevastopol, and said they were there to stop the kind of protests that ousted Yanukovich in Kiev.

The fleet denied its forces were involved in seizing the military airport near Sevastopol, where armed men later also occupied the runway, Interfax news agency said, while a supporter described the armed group at the civilian international airport in Simferopol as Crimean militiamen.

Ukraine's commercial airline said later that it had been refused entry into Crimean airspace.

Moscow has promised to defend the interests of its citizens in Ukraine and has said it will not intervene by force. But its rhetoric since the removal of Yanukovich a week ago has echoed the run-up to its invasion of Georgia in 2008.

The U.N. Security Council called an emergency session for later on Friday at the request of Ukraine's new leaders, who warned the country's territorial intergrity was threatened.


http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/2014-03/01/content_17314340.htm

And bizarrely, this.
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Andrey Nekrasov, an underwater photographer from Ukraine, leads an adventurous team taking a series of pictures under Lake Baikal in Siberia,


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/slides/2014-03/01/content_17314868.htm

Far from taking Russia's side, China seems to be keeping the whole situation at arms length.
 

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