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@Lordyaswas,

A good report at DW: Historical tensions bubble up in Crimea

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The Crimean peninsula has always been a complicated piece of territory. It has been conquered and controlled by Greeks, Tatars, the Ottoman Empire and the Russian Empire, to name only a few powers. In the 20th century, it was part of the Soviet Union - initially in the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic and then in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic from 1954. Since then, things have hardly gotten less complicated for Crimea. After the fall of the Soviet Union, the territory remained Ukrainian despite having a majority of Russian-speakers, before being granted limited self-determination in 1995.
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From 1783 onwards, there was a systematic settlement of Russians, Ukrainians, and Germans to the Crimean Peninsula (in what was then the Crimean Khanate) in order to weaken the Crimean Tatar population.
The first (of dozens) planned settlements of Germans in Crimea were founded over 1805-1810 with the support of Czar Alexander I.
And Baron Pyotr Nikolayevich Wrangel (Freiherr Peter von Wrangel), commanding general of the anti-Bolshevik White Army, tried to get the the Red Army out of Crimea ... in 1919/20.

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@Lordyaswas,

Lordyaswas wrote:

Putin could swat Ukraine like a fly, and could still do, whatever the West says or does in the way of protest.

I don't think that's exactly true. Look at all the trouble Russia had putting down Chechnya, Chechens are still blowing up Russian railway stations, and Chechnya has a population of 1.269 million (2010).

Ukraine has a population of 45.59 million (2012), there are lots of ethnic Ukrainians living in Russia. It won't be as easy an undertaking as Putin would like.

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@izzythepush,

There are now reports that (right-wing) Ukrainian nationalists are trying to induce the (Muslim) Tatars to attack Russians ...

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@izzythepush,

The Autonomous Republic of Crimea has a population of roughly 2 million.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I don't know, you would have to ask those who use that phrase so much what they mean when they say it. But to me it sounds like, to heck whatever else does or thinks or even what the best answer is, we should always just do something to prove we can so we would not be "leading from behind."

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@Lordyaswas,

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Honestly, I think Bush, Reagan, Attila The Hun, whoever you had in office, Putin would still do pretty much as he liked

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He did already in 2008 didn't he?

For some odd reason, I feel more familiar with middle east countries even though I don't know where or what their names are, I am at least familiar with some of them. Russia and Poland might as well be on Mars or in Sara Palin's backyard. But is Crimea by Odesa? Why isn't labeled?

Anyway, I hope Walter is right and Russia is just flexing their muscles. But if Ukraine is asking for help among the "Muslims, oh no" I imagine that is going to up the rhetoric.

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An aside, isn't Dagmaraka not too far away? (I don't do facebook so I haven't kept up with her in years now)

They could use some of her mediation abilities, not that I'd wish that on her.

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Obama's threats to Putin are hilarious...Putin has no reason to give a ****. It seems pretty clear to me that the Chinese are going to back Putin on this, and with their support he gets what he wants.

You see the theme developing already, the story is that the chaos in Ukraine is all the fault of Western agitation, and that this interference in Eastern affairs must stop.

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@ossobuco,

She has recently posted on FB about the crisis in Cambodia, pointing out that that is not news in the West, while the Ukraine is. It is worth nothing that the situation in the Ukraine is overshadowing Egypt, where the government has resigned, and the political crises in Cambodia and Venezuela.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Obama's threats to Putin are hilarious

What's hilarious is that you think you have anything of value to add to this debate.

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@izzythepush,

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What's hilarious is that you think you have anything of value to add to this debate.

Take what you can use and leave the rest, Einstein...

We will know soon enough if my analysis proves to be correct.

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@Setanta,

True.

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@ossobuco,

She does not post in English quite often. You have to be paying attention to understand anything.

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@Setanta,

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Cambodia

Cambodia? Really? it has been a disaster for eons, no one cares.

A Time Mag headline

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Cambodia Is a Deadly Political Mess That the World Completely Ignores

http://world.time.com/2014/02/28/cambodia-protests-marred-by-racism-violence-detentions/

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@hawkeye10,

Yeah, Einstein, that's the point, no one cares. Here i thought your reading comprehension was deficient. Apparently, it's just a matter of ideas not sinking in with you.

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@Lordyaswas,

Take out the word "Russia", Lordy, put in "the USA" - identical. Do you think for a moment that there aren't cia all over the Ukraine?

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@Lordyaswas,

Lordy: Attila The Hun,

That was Nixon.

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@ossobuco,

Actually, in her home-country (as well as especially in the Czech Republic) they could need her, too Wink

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@izzythepush,

Well, maybe not a fly, but more a small spaniel. He's moving everything in to place and setting the scene for a good 'liberation' by sticking the ex Pres on telly to tell everyone how awful the Ukraine terrorists are.
The airports are off limits, a warship is blockading balaclava and anything coming in by sea, and he has tanks within 10 miles of the border, in unspecified locations.
I think we all pretty much said back on page 1 or 2 that he would give them all the jitters by doing this stuff, but he doesn't half look serious at this moment in time.

I'd be ordering a fresh change of trousers if I were in Ukraine right now.

I think he's angling for Crimea. He'll get that back before all this is over.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye:Cambodia? Really? it has been a disaster for eons, no one cares.

Least of all Americans when it was Americans supporting their war criminal governments that caused all or most of Cambodia's problems. Not to mention Laos, china, the Philippines, ... where the USA slaughtered and thieved like the band of pirates they have always been, from day one, Hawk.

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