Is Michael Dunn guilty?

@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

IF u observe that a particular race is above average irritable,
or smarter or dummer or faster in running, or better memory,
then shud u be in fear of commenting upon those observations?

No, you shouldn't --- unless your fear is that other correspondents comment on their own observations about you. That would be something you'd just have to live with. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

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@Thomas,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

IF u observe that a particular race is above average irritable,
or smarter or dummer or faster in running, or better memory,
then shud u be in fear of commenting upon those observations?

Thomas wrote:

No, you shouldn't --- unless your fear is that other correspondents
comment on their own observations about you.

Thay will do that ANYWAY.

Thomas wrote:

That would be something you'd just have to live with.
What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

That 's OK.

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

Wasn't there a charge of manslaughter?

According to the New York Times, manslaughter was a lesser charge automatically included in the murder charge. The jury hung on that one by implication.

So let me get this straight: The jurors agree hat Mr. Dunn attempted four second-degree murders. It's plainly obvious that one of these attempts killed someone, i.e., it succeeded. But the jurors disagree with each other that Dunn actually committed a second-degree murder. How does that make logical sense?

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@Thomas,

I wonder whether his sentences will be cuncurrent.

David

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@Thomas,

These kind of trials have gotten to where they often don't make logical sense, to me.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Apparently they will. Judging by a quick web search, a single count of attempting second-degree murder gets you 5--15 years in Florida. In the article I just linked to, the New York Times says that Dunn is up for 20--60 years. The rest is math.

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@Thomas,

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That's what people said during the Zimmerman trial, and what they actually did was protest peacefully. Perhaps you should give them the benefit of the doubt.

Having been in communities where blacks did indeed riot over a jury verdict that they did not like and seeing and smelling the smoke of burning businesses I am still not so fast to grant them the benefit of the doubt.

With special note of when Sharpton is still willing and able to get crowds to chat no justice no peace

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@OmSigDAVID,

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I think that a conviction is more likely than not.

Almost a sure thing except for the state once more overcharging with a first degree charge instead of a second degree charge that it seems to call for.

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It looks to me like Mr. Dunn was rong.

David

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@BillRM,

Was he indicted for 2nd degree murder ?

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@Thomas,

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by a quick web search, a single count of attempting second-degree murder gets you 5--15 years in Florida.

Not that simple when there is a firearm invalid try 30 years for second degree with a firearm.

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

I would pay attention to Dunn's tone as he demanded that the sound be turned down, and to whether there actually was a gun for the youngsters to be produced. If Dunn's tone was provocative, as if to pick a fight, that would kill his self-defense claim.

I must disagree with that.
No one shud forfeit his right to defend his life
merely because of the intonation of his voice.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Was he indicted for 2nd degree murder ?

No first degree even those I assume the jury could come back with a second degree verdict.

In fact I think that what is delaying the verdict with some holding out for first and others for second degree but of course that is a guess.

What we do know that the jury had reach a verdict on the other charges.

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But, after casing the business, the kid beat up Dunn and bashed his head on the sidewalk, repeatedly.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Was he indicted for 2nd degree murder ?

No first degree even those I assume the jury could come back
with a second degree verdict.

In fact I think that what is delaying the verdict with some holding out
for first and others for second degree but of course that is a guess.

What we do know that the jury had reach a verdict on the other charges.

I don t know Florida law,
but it 'd seem unlikely that he 'd be convicted
of a crime whereof he had never been indicted
and presumably not tried upon those allegations.

David

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@Advocate,

White kids do the exact same thing... the only difference is that you don't call it wilding or looting.

The words you use say a lot about you.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Good then. We agree. I have no problem with anyone who wants to criticize me as an anti racist.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

White kids do the exact same thing... the only difference
is that you don't call it wilding or looting.

The words you use say a lot about you.

LOOTING means the same thing,
no matter WHO does it.

I wud not let a white steal my stuff.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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I don t know Florida law,
but it 'd seem unlikely that he 'd be convicted
of a crime whereof he had never been indicted
and presumably not tried upon those allegations.

Most of the time a jury can indeed find someone guilty of a lessor offense such as Zimmerman who was charge with second degree murder could had been found guilty of manslaughter instead.

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@OmSigDAVID,

It's not about the tone of voice as such. When you claim self-defense, it matters whether or not you provoked the trouble you're defending yourself against. Tone of voice, and any fighting Mr Dunn uttered, would have been evidence about his intentions.

That said, I was so absorbed with my imaginary videotape that I forgot there were witnesses. In particular, when your own girlfriend testifies under oath you were not in danger when you shot, that's pretty good evidence that you weren't.

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