Is Michael Dunn guilty?

@OmSigDAVID,

It is from anti-semitic propaganda from the 1930's in Germany. Jews were plunderers. Ironically, Jews were also said to be responsible for the "powder keg" of Europe.

There is nothing that Advocate is saying about black youth that wasn't also said about the Jews. Advocate's bigotry isn't even original... it recycled from 80 years ago (and that was probably recycled from much earlier).

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@maxdancona,

I don t remember ever hearing
that "Jews were plunderers" nor whose property
purportedly fell victim to their pillaging.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Of course Jews were accused of being plunderers. For example, this was written by Joseph Goebbels (the Nazi propaganda minister). Broad based racial slurs are remarkably unoriginal.

Goebbels wrote:

The Jew is uncreative. He produces nothing, he only haggles with products. With rags, clothing, pictures, jewels, grain, stocks, cures, peoples and states. He has somehow stolen everything he deals in. When he attacks a state he is a revolutionary. As soon as he holds power, he preaches peace and order so that he can devour his conquests in comfort.

What does anti-Semitism have to do with socialism? I would put the question this way: What does the Jew have to do with socialism? Socialism has to do with labor. When did one ever see him working instead of plundering, stealing and living from the sweat of others? As socialists we are opponents of the Jews because we see in the Hebrews the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nation’s goods.

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/haken32.htm

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@roger,

roger wrote:

He shot into a car, killed someone, and just drove back for (presumably) a good nights sleep.

You're oversimplifying a complex issue here. The truth is that he had a pizza and a glass of wine with his girlfriend, too.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

I think a lot of factors should make you admit it. For instance, past rioting accompanied by looting;

Obviously you know little about the pervasive cultural problems in the White Community.

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@Thomas,

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

It is from anti-semitic propaganda from the 1930's in Germany. Jews were plunderers. Ironically, Jews were also said to be responsible for the "powder keg" of Europe.

There is nothing that Advocate is saying about black youth that wasn't also said about the Jews. Advocate's bigotry isn't even original... it recycled from 80 years ago (and that was probably recycled from much earlier).

You must be an anti-Semite. I don't think anyone has ever, or could, accuse Jews of plundering or, for that matter, committing many crimes. Do you have visions of a lot of lawyers, dentists, doctors, scientists, accountants, et al., committing crimes, such as plundering.

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@Advocate,

I guess you heard about the wilding blacks who managed to close the Florida State Fair. If they are willing and able to pull that off, isn't it reasonable to expect rioting over the possible Dunn aquittal? Don't bother to answer.

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@Advocate,

maxdancona wrote:

It is from anti-semitic propaganda from the 1930's in Germany.
Jews were plunderers. Ironically, Jews were also said to be responsible for the "powder keg" of Europe.

There is nothing that Advocate is saying about black youth that wasn't also said about the Jews.
Advocate's bigotry isn't even original... it recycled from 80 years ago (and that was probably recycled from much earlier).

Advocate wrote:

You must be an anti-Semite. I don't think anyone has ever,
or could, accuse Jews of plundering or, for that matter, committing many crimes.
Do you have visions of a lot of lawyers, dentists, doctors,
scientists, accountants, et al., committing crimes, such as plundering.

That was very well put, Advocate. Clever!
I don t remember Herr Hitler nor his followers
alleging THAT.

IF u don t surrender your art,
he will give u such a smeck with his briefcase!

MAX, 'fess up!
We cawt u fair and square
making things up! Admit it!

David

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@Advocate,

Quote:

You must be an anti-Semite. I don't think anyone has ever, or could, accuse Jews of plundering or, for that matter, committing many crimes. Do you have visions of a lot of lawyers, dentists, doctors, scientists, accountants, et al., committing crimes, such as plundering.

People have accused Jews of plundering... and of committing many crimes. Just as you are accusing Blacks of plundering and committing crimes.

Making racial slurs is wrong no matter who the target is. You are making the same slurs against Blacks that other people have made against Jews. Somehow you seem to think that it is wrong in one case, but not in the other.

The term "wilding" is very interesting. It is only applied to Black kids... when White kids act in the same way.. the term is never used. I believe the initial use of the term "wilding" is the Central Park rape case. The initial kids accused of "wilding" have since been exonerated. The same racist beliefs that you are spouting here resulted in five innocent kids being sent to jail for years.

In my opinion, the term "wilding" is a racist slur.

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I think the jurors have finished for the day.

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@maxdancona,

Quote:

You must be an anti-Semite. I don't think anyone has ever, or could, accuse Jews of plundering or, for that matter, committing many crimes. Do you have visions of a lot of lawyers, dentists, doctors, scientists, accountants, et al., committing crimes, such as plundering.

maxdancona wrote:

People have accused Jews of plundering... and of committing many crimes.
Just as you are accusing Blacks of plundering and committing crimes.

Making racial slurs is wrong no matter who the target is.

R races supposed to be IMMUNE from criticism?

An exception to freedom of speech?????

By what authority is THIS???

How about if I wanna praise the Jews for Einstein, et al ???

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Of course not OmSigDavid. Advocate has the freedom to say whatever he wants about Blacks (or Jews or Native Americans or Arabs or anyone) just as I have the freedom to criticism him. Advocate and I are both exercising our freedom of speech.

Races are not immune from criticism. But neither are racists.

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@maxdancona,

I think that the blacks are a powder keg relative to rioting and looting. Do you deny that they have done this in recent history? Do you deny that young blacks have recently (effectively) closed the Florida State Fair relative to their wilding and robbing?

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By Michael Muskal
February 15, 2014, 2:55 p.m.
The jury in the murder trial of Michael Dunn, accused of shooting an unarmed teenager to death during a dispute over loud music, has reached verdicts on four charges but said on Saturday it could not agree on the top count of first-degree murder.
The jury, which is in the fourth day of weighing Dunn’s fate, announced its status in a note to Judge Russell L. Healey late Saturday afternoon. The judge read the jury the so-called dynamite charge, urging them to return to their deliberations and try to resolve their differences.
The judge then left the Jacksonville, Fla., courtroom while the jurors were taken back to the room where they have been meeting for more than 28 hours. The jury did not say what verdicts they had reached on the four charges.
Healey indicated that if the jury remained deadlocked, he would accept the four verdicts and declare a mistrial on the fifth charge. The state could then choose to retry Dunn.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-loud-music-michael-dunn-20140215,0,4034473.story#ixzz2tR7lV02v

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@OmSigDAVID,

Max Dancona wrote:

Making racial slurs is wrong no matter who the target is.

OmSigDavid wrote:

R races supposed to be IMMUNE from criticism?
An exception to freedom of speech????? [typographical grandstanding deleted --- Thomas.]

1) Racial slurs aren't the same as criticism; they are more akin to defamation and gratuitous insult. Yes, people are supposed to be immune from defamation and gratuitous insult because of their race --- or for any other reason. (For the record, while I disagree with Advocate about Blacks being uniquely violent, I don't think his remarks rise to the level of slurs.)

2) It's not about restricting the freedom of speech, it's about calling stupid things what they are --- stupid. Races aren't organizations. None of us have chosen our races, nor owe any allegiance to them, let alone speak or act on their behalf. So even if criticizing races is fine under the First Amendment, it is nonsense under the general rules of logic and reason. If logic and reason are important to you, you should denounce such nonsense, too.

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CNN) -- The Florida jury in the case of Michael Dunn has found him guilty on four charges, including three for attempted second-degree murder, but they couldn't reach a verdict on the most significant charge -- first-degree murder in the death of Jordan Davis.
After the decisions were read out Saturday night in court, Judge Russell Healey -- who moments before had said that the jury had reached a verdict on all counts -- declared a mistrial on the murder count.

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@edgarblythe,

Wasn't there a charge of manslaughter?

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

Max Dancona wrote:
Making racial slurs is wrong no matter who the target is.

OmSigDavid wrote:
R races supposed to be IMMUNE from criticism?
An exception to freedom of speech????? [typographical grandstanding deleted --- Thomas.]

1) Racial slurs aren't the same as criticism; they are more akin to defamation and gratuitous insult. Yes, people are supposed to be immune from defamation and gratuitous insult because of their race --- or for any other reason. (For the record, while I disagree with Advocate about Blacks being uniquely violent, I don't think his remarks rise to the level of slurs.)

2) It's not about restricting the freedom of speech, it's about calling stupid things what they are --- stupid. Races aren't organizations. None of us have chosen our races, nor owe any allegiance to them, let alone speak or act on their behalf. So even if criticizing races is fine under the First Amendment, it is nonsense under the general rules of logic and reason. If logic and reason are important to you, you should denounce such nonsense, too.

U write nicely; graceful.
IF u observe that a particular race is above average irritable,
or smarter or dummer or faster in running, or better memory,
then shud u be in fear of commenting upon those observations ?

How about noticing similar traits in watched birds ?
The same thing ?

"Elephants never forget." ??

David

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Of course not OmSigDavid. Advocate has the freedom to say whatever he wants about Blacks
(or Jews or Native Americans or Arabs or anyone) just as I have the freedom to criticism him.
Advocate and I are both exercising our freedom of speech.

Races are not immune from criticism. But neither are racists.

OK, Max. I think that 's fair.
I can live with that, but extend the exposure to anti-racists also.

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