David Henry wrote:You'd make a good lawyer Joe.
I'm gratified to hear that.
David Henry wrote:I do wonder what you get up to in the night
The details of my sex life are of interest to so few people that it is strangely reassuring to know that at least one person out there is fantasizing about me.
Joe, it is to contruct an ad hominem through the use of question begging.
"X is repugnant, and if you disagree you too are repugnant."
It relies on fallacious binary logic as well.
"You are either for us or against us."
"You either agree that doing X is repugnant or you are a lover of X."
How did the conversation take this turn? DAMN!!!
I'm with you, Bi.
Well Joe, that song should have stated the new East side of Chicago.
Deb, The Whipping Boy was a book about psychological abuse of a young boy--nearly as bad as physical abuse, and maybe worse because one cannot see the scars.
Back to the original topic:
Yes, I think that porn stars debase themselves, but as long as they choose to do so, and are not coerced into it, it's their choice.
Craven de Kere wrote:Joe, it is to contruct an ad hominem through the use of question begging.
"X is repugnant, and if you disagree you too are repugnant."
It relies on fallacious binary logic as well.
"You are either for us or against us."
"You either agree that doing X is repugnant or you are a lover of X."
How does one sit on the fence WRT murder, or the consumption of undesirables?
Murder is either wrong or it isn't.
Eating feces is either wrong or it isn't.
Letty wrote:I'm with you, Bi.
Well Joe, that song should have stated the new East side of Chicago.
Deb, The Whipping Boy was a book about psychological abuse of a young boy--nearly as bad as physical abuse, and maybe worse because one cannot see the scars.
Back to the original topic:
Yes, I think that porn stars debase themselves, but as long as they choose to do so, and are not coerced into it, it's their choice.
Yes - as I said, I believed I know that, Letty - I still don't see the relevance to the conversation - I don't think anyone here is advocating children being used in porn, nor child abuse.
David Henry wrote:ehBeth wrote:[
That's not an argument that is going to hold any kind of water. I'm sure Joe or Craven can give the details of what kind of fallacy it is.
I consider this issue black and white...you're either for or against feces, any fence sitting is the sign of a deviant mind.
DH, you can consider the issue black and white - that doesn't mean it is. Or maybe I'm a fence-sitting deviant? Nope. I'm pretty sure that's not the case.
"For or against faeces"!
That phrase delineates, with what appears to be deliberately satirical intent, the ridiculousness of David Henry's position on this, as nothing else could have!
You're pulling our collective legses, DH, aren't ya now??? C'mon, fess up!
I'm havin' flashbacks to the fella who posted so eloquently about semen addiction.
yeah - that was my reaction when I read the first of these posts...
Once in Copenhagen I was dumbfounded by the pictures of pornographic acts in front of most shops and visable to young children. I could not resist asking a man his attitude toward that condition. His reply surprised me. He said in effect "Oh, we don't notice it anymore; it's for dirty minds like those of (you?) tourists." I suspect that porno saturation is a way to eliminate one's fascination. The first time I saw a photo of a naked woman (not in National Geographic) I was almost overwhelmed with excitement. It was SO delightfully forbidden. This was in the "innocent" late forties/early fifties. Now the unsollicited images projected onto my PC screen are, while very explicit, very boring. And that may be because they are so explicit and presented so frequently. There is nothing like subtlety to turn one on. The famous line of the French LaRouchefoucault (sp?) comes to mine. "The best part of sex is walking upstairs." I'll bet that was quite pornographic in his day.
yes - that is a delightful moment! When you both realise it is "go"!
JLN
Scandinavian societies have very little taboo about the naked body. Apparently, it is common for sporting facilities to have unisex changing rooms, which causes no significant concern.
Nudity is not a sexual state. It is our natural state - "Birthday Suit"!
I like your quote about "walking up stairs" - sexuality is in the mind and some societies are better attuned to separation of this from the visibility of the equipment we use to express our sexuality!
As for the polarised pro/anti coprophagy debate - aren't we all mature enough to let consenting adults do as they choose? That probably makes me a deviant!
KP
It all depends on where you stand, darls...
Incidentally those who compare the torture in Iraq to porn have positive confirmation from Rush Limbaugh.
He agrees, calling the torture "good old American pornography" (May 6th).
Sigh. Consent seems to mean less and less to some people these days.
Pardon my obtuseness - but I am totally lost - what on earth does Limbaugh mean?
So I finally read the whole thread, but no, not the original link.
I adjust my temporary comment on agreeing more with Craven than Piffka, to say I agree with all Craven and JoefromChicago posted on this issue.
I am not really a porn fan as such, but as previously mentioned, that isn't relevent. [I prefer better dialog and storylines...]. And agree with the caution of the naysayers here re coercion, not to mention use of minors.. ok, that highlights a concern, I don't think even a consenting adolescent, much as I think adolescents can be very smart, even wise, is able to give informed consent.
As for matters that may be distasteful to me: fecal matter, for example. I was licensed as a lab tech for thirty plus years, in fact, long after I switched to another career. My first job (I lie, I think I did hematology first) - I suppose some kind of unpleasant hazing, or the luck of the draw - in lab training, was to take the specimens off of the dummy/elevator and make slides. I will never understand any physical attraction in this direction, re, ingestion. Still, my dog might, no!, but some dogs do, and I gather it doesn't bother some other humans.. My own view, yeah, weird, but... so what?
Filming that? gee, get a life. Someone renting the film? Let this not be a blind date...
Still, I am not going to censor that.
Tricky, consent issues plus freedom of speech.
Re the iraq prison situation, yes, obscenity, but from my view a long building one re our practices in teaching some other countries' forces coercive measures. I don't have links, but have read about that off and on for years. Whether the people abusing the prisoners in the recent photos took a cue from porno flicks, hmmm, I have no idea. But I doubt role starring was the prime motive, except in the larger sense.
DH, you can consider the issue black and white - that doesn't mean it is. Or maybe I'm a fence-sitting deviant? Nope. I'm pretty sure that's not the case.[/quote]
This is the philosophy forum, you should be explaining the moral component of not being concerned with murder or sucking on a **** smeared penis.
