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How do you feel about congress cutting unemployment benefits?

 
 
Foofie
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jan, 2014 01:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

What makes you think the wealth of the rich will "trickle down" to the middle class and the poor through their investments? The top 10% of the wealthy already owns 80% of the financial wealth of this country. Where's the trickle down? How much longer do we have to wait until that wealth shows up in the pockets of the middle class and the poor?



It might not, since the middle class and poor are not valued for their respective skill sets oftentimes, in these global economic times. Plus, as I explained in my prior post, jobs go to the young for various reasons. All reasons are under the main heading of corporate America getting the best years of one's life, for each respective job.

Let's be honest, without your degree, you would not have been an auditor. And, you were just the right age for your promotion. You in effect, were valued for the best years of your life being given to the corporation. And, now, like the ant in the ant and the grasshopper fable, you can live in old age. All based on your skill set being available at the correct time. And, let's not forget you had the ability to go to university. Not everyone does, or has the ability/desire to learn some other vocational skill set.

The liberal progressive agenda, in my opinion, wants to eliminate the humiliation of being of lesser aptitude/ability than other people that have succeeded economically in society. Civilian society does not work that way. As you have seen, the military does work that way. All Master Sergeants, for example, get to live in the same type of housing, with the same pay scale, as the sergeant that works on electronics, or the sergeant than works in the Supply Squadron. The civilian society, since it is connected to the global society/economy cannot have such a system.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jan, 2014 01:47 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
All Master Sergeants, for example, get to live in the same type of housing, with the same pay scale, as the sergeant that works on electronics, or the sergeant than works in the Supply Squadron.



Not true. The military pay scale is the higher your rank, the more you get paid.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_pay_scale.asp

A sergeant is an E-5, a Master Sergeant is an E-8
There is quite a bit of difference in what each one gets paid.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jan, 2014 03:13 pm
@Foofie,
You don't seem to get much things right! Is that inborn or learned? Mr. Green
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 08:25 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
The dark side of our species is truly amazing!


No doubt about that. Anger and fear.
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 08:34 am
@Foofie,
Quote:
since the additional money pumped into corporate America could allow a retail chain to expand, and then hire more people.


Corporate America expands and hires when the market justifies it, not when they have money.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 11:06 am
@IRFRANK,
amen~! Some people just refuse to understand the difference between Obama saving the auto industry and government's control of commerce.

WE ARE A CAPITALISTIC COUNTRY.

It was found during WWII that our auto industry was necessary for our defensive production of vehicles.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 06:57 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From Yahoo News.
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This morning on "This Week," Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer took a swipe at Republican Sen. Rand Paul, saying he thought it was "insulting" that the Kentucky senator argued that it is a "disservice" to continue unemployment benefits for workers after a certain period.

"Most of the people I meet who are on unemployment are people who have had jobs for 25 years, lost them, they've been knocking on doors every week," Schumer said on "This Week. "I think it's a little insulting, a bit insulting to American workers when Rand Paul says that unemployment insurance is a disservice."

"They want to work, they don't want unemployment benefits," the New York senator added. "They're just hanging on with unemployment benefits, you cut them off, they may lose the house they paid for, take their kids out of college. So I would hope he would reconsider, past the three month extension."

Paul, appearing on "This Week" before Schumer, seemed to indicate he'd be open to extending unemployment benefits for the long-term unemployed if the costs are paid for, while still arguing such an extension would provide some disincentive to work.

"What I have always said is that it needs to be paid for, but we also need to do something for long-term unemployed people and that is we need to create something new that would create jobs," Paul said. "So what I'd like to do when we get back is one, if we extend it we pay for it, but two, we add something to it that would create jobs."

"I do think, though, that the longer you have it, that it provides some disincentive to work, and that there are many studies that indicate this," Paul added. "So, what I've been saying all along, we have to figure out how to create jobs and keep people from becoming long-term unemployed."


From About.com.
96% of voters want the unemployed to receive extended unemployment benefits.
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jan, 2014 04:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Oh, you like Charles Schumer?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jan, 2014 04:17 pm
@Foofie,
It's not a matter of liking or hating any congress member; it's about America helping Americans when they need it. We give over $8 million dollars every day to Israel. We can surely find ways to help our own citizens over Israel.

Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jan, 2014 04:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's not a matter of liking or hating any congress member; it's about America helping Americans when they need it. We give over $8 million dollars every day to Israel. We can surely find ways to help our own citizens over Israel.


I would want the unemployment insurance extended; however, by making it Israel or the U.S. unemployed is just a false belief.

Israel gets money and spends it on what they need from U.S. corporations. The dichotomy is U.S. corporations or unemployed citizens.

You might be too concerned about Israel to see that whatever they get is because someone in the U.S. is benefitting. It is almost as if, based on your rhetoric, in my opinion, that Israel is just a modern day Fagin. You are so easy to fool.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jan, 2014 04:51 pm
@Foofie,
You,
Quote:
Israel gets money and spends it on what they need from U.S. corporations. The dichotomy is U.S. corporations or unemployed citizens.


You don't even understand elementary Economics. Those receiving unemployment in the US goes to US business by about 100%. It goes to buy food and shelter for Americans. Those $$$$'s spent in the US recirculate multiple times to help American businesses and the tax base at all levels of our government. Those are tax dollars or loans that must be repaid by Americans. Why does Americans pay for loans or the increase in our deficit "given" to Israel? Why can't that money be used to improve our own infrastructure, spend it on our children's education, and pay down the debt?

Where did you learn Economics?

Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jan, 2014 05:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Why does Americans pay for loans or the increase in our deficit "given" to Israel? Why can't that money be used to improve our own infrastructure, spend it on our children's education, and pay down the debt?


The annual amount in the billions given to Israel is sorely needed here at home; why the Republicans care more for Israel than the unemployed seeking an additional extension of unemployment benefits, or the veterans who fought for Israel in Iraq, had their benefits cut.

True, the stock market is soaring but this gap between the have and have nots is widening; Israel has quite a rich economy and doesn't need the American tax payer money. Yet the congress would rather kill their mothers than disappoint Israel!
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jan, 2014 05:38 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Quote:
All Master Sergeants, for example, get to live in the same type of housing, with the same pay scale, as the sergeant that works on electronics, or the sergeant than works in the Supply Squadron.



Not true. The military pay scale is the higher your rank, the more you get paid.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_pay_scale.asp

A sergeant is an E-5, a Master Sergeant is an E-8
There is quite a bit of difference in what each one gets paid.


I meant sergeants of equal rank have the same lifestyle/salary scale, even though their skill sets can be quite different.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jan, 2014 05:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You,
Quote:
Israel gets money and spends it on what they need from U.S. corporations. The dichotomy is U.S. corporations or unemployed citizens.


You don't even understand elementary Economics. Those receiving unemployment in the US goes to US business by about 100%. It goes to buy food and shelter for Americans. Those $$$$'s spent in the US recirculate multiple times to help American businesses and the tax base at all levels of our government. Those are tax dollars or loans that must be repaid by Americans. Why does Americans pay for loans or the increase in our deficit "given" to Israel? Why can't that money be used to improve our own infrastructure, spend it on our children's education, and pay down the debt?

Where did you learn Economics?




Apparently, some folks just want money to go to those corporations that sells stuff to Israel. This country, might be in the eyes of some folks, just bloated with those that don't deserve more than they presently have? You keep thinking the country is based on everyone should get an equal slice of a pie? Never was that way.
Miller
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jan, 2014 05:57 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:


"What makes you think the wealth of the rich will "trickle down" to the middle class and the poor through their investments? ...Where's the trickle down? How much longer do we have to wait until that wealth shows up in the pockets of the middle class and the poor?"


MILLER writes:
Oh poor, poor CI, the guy from California, who takes at least one trip per year, often around the world, at a total cost to his bank roll of about $7500 ( or more ). Looks like CI has had a major "trickle", hopefully it went into his pants pocket and not down his legs.

No CI, looks like you stopped waiting a long time ago to get your dough and now, old boy, you're going to spend all of it and in the meantime, keep on complaining, while the trickles keep you "jumping".
Miller
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jan, 2014 05:59 pm
Does moment-in-time have hypertension? Sure looks like that, to the folks up here in merry old Boston.

Smile
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jan, 2014 06:39 pm
@Foofie,
No capitalistic economy promises equality of income. Where did you study economics?
mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 08:09 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Why can't that money be used to improve our own infrastructure, spend it on our children's education, and pay down the debt?


By your logic here, it seems you would favor an end to all foreign aid, of any sort.
After all, Why can't that money be used to improve our own infrastructure, spend it on our children's education, and pay down the debt?

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 11:04 am
@mysteryman,
That's Logic 101; help our own before we help other countries. After all, they're the ones paying our taxes.

It follows the same logic as, "if any of your family member is hurting financially, help them first before all others."
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 11:34 am
@cicerone imposter,
Here's the latest news on unemployment legislation.
Quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) — White House-backed legislation to renew benefits for the long-term unemployed unexpectedly cleared an initial Senate hurdle on Tuesday, clearing the way for bipartisan negotiations in the opening days of an election-year session of Congress.

White House: Expiration of jobless benefits a blow Associated Press
The vote was 60-37 to limit debate on the three-month legislation, with a half-dozen Republicans siding with the Democrats on the test vote.

At the same time, the Republican leader, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, said he and his rank and file would seek changes so the bill's $6.4 billion cost would not add to deficits.

Senate Democrats have so far rejected that approach, although there were signs they would eventually yield.

Shortly after the Senate vote, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, issued a statement expressing views similar to McConnell's. Almost simultaneously, a senior Senate Democrat, Chuck Schumer of New York, signaled a willingness to consider changes to offset the impact of the bill on the deficit, calling that "the second best option."


Seems like a reasonable compromise.
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