Why we shouldn't believe in evolution.

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I can't believe in evolution because the topic "evolution" isn't a topic. It's a jumbled set of observations, beliefs and logical mistakes, all bundled together under the term "evolution".

Probably the biggest mistake of evolutionists is convincing people that animals evolve. They don't evolve of course. They die out and others take their place.

Another mistake that I regularly choke upon is the idea of evolutionary survival. Yet nothing survives: species die out, individuals die out, even the supposedly immortal gene dies when its cell host dies. There is no survival.

Another reason why I can't believe in evolution is the idea that genes, traits and skills gets "passed on". This is sheer bad supernaturalism. The idea that a behaviour or a template pattern gets "passed on" is metempsychosis, or soul transferral - the non material transference of material objects.

These are just three, very convincing reasons, why the modern, culturally small, jumbled, parochial topic "evolution" should be rejected, and its promoters ignored.

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@JohnJonesCardiff,

I love the way you wear your ignorance on your sleeve

This little contradiction is awesome.

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They die out and others take their place.
There is no survival.

Um. Did the others 'survive' long enough to the place of those that died? Where did they come from?

I think you've cornered the market on 'jumbling'.

But thanks for the giggle.

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@JohnJonesCardiff,

So what's your explanation for how biology got to be the way it is?

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@JohnJonesCardiff,

I also believe that all genes are "created anew" when each animal is born. In fact,its parents don't have anything to do with anything.
All unicorns are created equally

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@JohnJonesCardiff,

JohnJonesCardiff wrote:

Probably the biggest mistake of evolutionists is convincing people that animals evolve. They don't evolve of course. They die out and others take their place.

You do realize that the theory applies to populations, not individuals, right?

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I'm sure that Cardiff will be embarrassed to read this over tomorrow and that he will likely express regret.

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Actually, we shouldn't believe in evolution. It's not a belief, a myth, a religion or a fantasy. Use the term belief for those things, not for scientific observations that have been independently vetted and confirmed. If you want to reject them, then use terms like reject or accept. But don't muddy the waters by applying the standards of religion to those of science. They are apples and oranges.

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@hingehead,

"hingehead

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@JohnJonesCardiff,
I love the way you wear your ignorance on your sleeve

This little contradiction is awesome.

Quote:

They die out and others take their place.
There is no survival.

Um. Did the others 'survive' long enough to the place of those that died? Where did they come from?

I think you've cornered the market on 'jumbling'.

But thanks for the giggle. "

Species don't evolve. They become extinct. Others take their place. Otherwise, there is only one species. Ho Ho?

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@rosborne979,

Biology is a social movement, a synthesis of experimental observation, judeo-christian morality, supernatural doctrine, and corporate influences. Nobody can deny this.

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@farmerman,

farmerman

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Reply report Sun 22 Dec, 2013 07:25 pm
@JohnJonesCardiff,
I also believe that all genes are "created anew" when each animal is born. In fact,its parents don't have anything to do with anything.
All unicorns are created equally
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Nothing survives. Not the gene, not the parent, not the species... nothing. Get used to it.

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@rosborne979,

rosborne979

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@JohnJonesCardiff,
JohnJonesCardiff wrote:

Probably the biggest mistake of evolutionists is convincing people that animals evolve. They don't evolve of course. They die out and others take their place."

You do realize that the theory applies to populations, not individuals, right?
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Populations - you mean species. Species don't evolve. Otherwise there would be only one species. Populations, individuals that have no distinguishing marks or differences, don't evolve. Otherwise they wouldn't be populations (there would be differences).

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@edgarblythe,

I am an old hand at this, and outshone my whole uni dept. Make no mistake, cross swords with me and you WILL come off worse. The best approach is to avoid argument and back away giggling.

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@JohnJonesCardiff,

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Species don't evolve. They become extinct. Others take their place.

Where do these other species come from? Or are you postulating that we started with a large number of species and as some become extinct the total number of species drops?

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@JohnJonesCardiff,

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I am an old hand at this, and outshone my whole uni dept. Make no mistake, cross swords with me and you WILL come off worse. The best approach is to avoid argument and back away giggling.

I imagine they backed away making circle motions with their index fingers next to their temples making 'woo-woo' noises.

Self-esteem issues much?

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@JohnJonesCardiff,

JohnJonesCardiff wrote:

Biology is a social movement, a synthesis of experimental observation, judeo-christian morality, supernatural doctrine, and corporate influences. Nobody can deny this.

You are a very confused person.

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I tried to give him a chance to back off. I wonder if he is a one trick pony. The little spiel about animals die to be replaced by other animals may be his one stock in store.

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@jespah,

jespah

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Reply report Mon 23 Dec, 2013 06:56 am
Actually, we shouldn't believe in evolution. It's not a belief, a myth, a religion or a fantasy. Use the term belief for those things, not for scientific observations that have been independently vetted and confirmed. If you want to reject them, then use terms like reject or accept. But don't muddy the waters by applying the standards of religion to those of science. They are apples and oranges. "
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A belief is acting on one of two or more unproved or unprovable propositions. This is especially true of science, as it is of religion.

Here, an appeal to the consensus (regarding the rationality of science) avoids the very thing that is in question - the extent of the rationality of science.

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@rosborne979,

rosborne979 wrote:

You are a very confused person.

He's a Taff, they are all like that. Partly ovine ancestry, you see.

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@hingehead,

hingehead

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@JohnJonesCardiff,
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I am an old hand at this, and outshone my whole uni dept. Make no mistake, cross swords with me and you WILL come off worse. The best approach is to avoid argument and back away giggling.

I imagine they backed away making circle motions with their index fingers next to their temples making 'woo-woo' noises.

Self-esteem issues much?
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No. Plain fact.

Interestingly, the "woo" cry is a tool of scientism: it is used against religion, but its inherent emotivism is also used in scientism's own promotions.

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@JohnJonesCardiff,

Still waiting for an answer to this:

hinge wrote:

jjwackjob wrote:
Species don't evolve. They become extinct. Others take their place.

Where do these other species come from? Or are you postulating that we started with a large number of species and as some become extinct the total number of species drops?

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