@Olivier5,
Quote:Okay so who designed Jesus and God?
If the universe existed as a single particle with no order to it. (a singularity) as the Big Bang theory suggests, then all that existed was a single particle that was quite dense containing everything necessary for our universe to exist except order.
If the only thing that physically existed, at this time, is this singularity contained in one perfect universe wide particle (which must be objectively perfect because it is the only physical thing with nothing to compare it to). And, the intelligence to manipulate it (God), exists in this one simple perfect particle, then this means that the creator of the universe must be the simplest thing.
And, since this single particle contains the entire universe and is controlled by a single simple intelligence that makes that intelligence simple and Omnipotent.
So, if you run the clock backwards when you get to the simplest thing possible (one universe with no boundaries) that has to be the point of creation. And at that point there can be only one decision to make (should I create a universe or not?
Who ever made that intelligent decision is the creator of this universe.
If this is the only universe then that is the one Omnipotent God.
That intelligence is not physical in existence because ideas aren't physical till they are presented as information in a physical universe.
https://able2know.org/topic/384507-16#post-6718326
Since the intelligence (God) is not physical and nothing is yet created in the universe to measure time, that intelligence would not need a physical beginning (always was and always will be). Because His idea would initiate the physical beginning of the universe with His first idea, "I will create a physical universe by storing ideas in spinning particles".
Where am I wrong in my logic?