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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
MontereyJack
 
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Wed 3 Jun, 2020 06:23 am
@livinglava,
After four thousand years there still is no verifiable evidence a god exists. There's a whole lot of supposition but no verifiable evidence. Your argument seems to boil down to god exists because god exists, which is not exactly compelling.
livinglava
 
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Wed 3 Jun, 2020 11:04 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

After four thousand years there still is no verifiable evidence a god exists. There's a whole lot of supposition but no verifiable evidence. Your argument seems to boil down to god exists because god exists, which is not exactly compelling.

Is there evidence that 'the universe' exists? Sure, we can see planets and galaxies using telescopes, but what evidence is there that the universe as a whole exists? We can't stand outside of it to observe it as a circumscribed thing.

But look at the universality of the laws of physics/nature, the periodic table, the fact that the entire universe is made up of protons, electrons, neutrons, photons, quarks, neutrinos, etc. The fact that the diversity of forms that make up the universe are all made up of the same fundamental pieces and mechanics suggests that the universe is a unified whole . . . but is it 'proof?' What could possibly 'prove' that the universe exists as a whole?

Thinking and describing the universe as 'the universe,' is just an awareness of it in its totality. When people talk about multiple universes, they aren't understanding the fundamental meaning of the term, "universe," which refers to everything that can possibly exist, i.e. the universal set containing all other sets that exist.

So "God" is just the agency/authorship attributed to 'the universe.' If you can say that everything that exists falls within the same ultimately 'universal set,' then you can say that all consciousness/intent/agency/power/knowledge/etc. also falls within the same universal set and we can call the ultimate authority, "God," Theology uses lots of different metaphors, analogies, parables, etc. to represent God in a way that makes sense to readers, but there is no question of proving God's existence, because what all these different theologists/philosophers are writing about in different ways is nothing more or less than the absolute authority of the universe as a whole, which cannot not exist because the universe and everything that makes it up exists.

What you and other atheists try to do is separate the notion of God from the rest of the universe, which doesn't make sense. If the universe exists as the universal set of all things, then authority/truth/power/consciousness/intent/etc. all exist as well. You may have trouble with how to represent God in a way that seem plausible to you, but ultimately you can't deny the existence of absolute power, because everything about your existence and everything you perceive and know is dependent on the power of its existence, and it is beyond the control of you or any other human authority, so you can't pretend like humans created the universe. It has to be a higher power, whether or not you like the idea of describing that power in terms of a person/father or not.
Setanta
 
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Wed 3 Jun, 2020 01:46 pm
Can we have some croutons with that word salad? Something to make it interesting and believable.

What a complete crock of ****.
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MontereyJack
 
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Wed 3 Jun, 2020 02:28 pm
@livinglava,
so god is an electron?
livinglava
 
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Wed 3 Jun, 2020 02:40 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

so god is an electron?

Is that a real question, a joke, or a complete perversion of my point that God goes beyond any entity or sub-region within the universe-as-a-whole?
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justafool44
 
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Wed 15 Jul, 2020 11:57 am
@JimmyJ,
maybe because the 'evidence' is not as solid as you were led to believe.
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brianjakub
 
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Wed 22 Jul, 2020 01:11 pm
@livinglava,
Or could a person say the universe is a subset of a larger set and that larger set is God.
MontereyJack
 
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Fri 24 Jul, 2020 10:43 pm
@brianjakub,
why would someone say that? go the slightest shred of evidence?
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coluber2001
 
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Tue 28 Jul, 2020 05:13 pm
https://pics.onsizzle.com/the-real-reason-evolution-started-dont-walk-away-when-im-3960070.png
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NealNealNeal
 
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Wed 29 Jul, 2020 04:41 pm
@brianjakub,
Physical reality plus Spiritual reality equals ALL reality.
farmerman
 
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Wed 29 Jul, 2020 04:49 pm
@NealNealNeal,
that makes absolutely NO sense. One is a measurable sensed property, The other is a made up "dream" created by by religious zealots.
The two concepts have nly a poetic linkage
hingehead
 
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Thu 30 Jul, 2020 07:05 am
@NealNealNeal,
https://www.wikiality.com/file/2016/11/colbert-300x157.jpg
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Leadfoot
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2020 01:57 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
The two concepts have nly a poetic linkage

Unless you're a quantum physicist.
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Jasper10
 
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Mon 17 Aug, 2020 03:08 am
@NealNealNeal,
I agree with you when you say physical and spiritual reality equals all reality.
NealNealNeal
 
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Mon 17 Aug, 2020 04:49 pm
@Jasper10,
Of course. Some people may say "oh no, we can't measure spiritual reality. It must not exist".
What foolishness!!!
Raindance
 
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Sun 3 Sep, 2023 05:19 am
@JimmyJ,
Read believing is seeing by Michael Guillen, there are so many holes in evolution, time makes things fall apart, things to not go from Chaos to order, it just doesn't happen anywhere in the universe. now that science understands quantun physics we know that we don't know a lot about our world. we know that much of the universe is a mystery, science thought they could figure things out but with quantum physics we have learned how much we don't understand. even a cell is incredibly complex, it didn't put itself together from pond scum over millions of years. the universe is designed like a watch and there is no question that there is an intelligent designer behind the creation of the universe and the creation of life. The reason evolution id not questioned in universities is because people do not want to accept that there is a God that created everything. It actually takes more faith to believe creation was an accident than to believe in an intelligent designer. Read Believing is Seeing and open your eyes to the truth. * the true voyage of discovery is not about seeing new landscapes but in having new eyes" Marcel Proust
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Jasper10
 
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Sun 3 Sep, 2023 07:19 am
@NealNealNeal,
Sure we can measure spiritual reality if you allow for PRESENCE.
izzythepush
 
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Sun 3 Sep, 2023 08:16 am
@Jasper10,
Describe the processs/equation/way in which you would do that.
Jasper10
 
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Sun 3 Sep, 2023 08:26 am
@izzythepush,
Easy,PRESENCE introduces CONTROL

In other words SELF introduces CONTROL over all the things that present day science claims that SELF is unable to take CONTROL over because it claims SELF doesn’t exist.

Explain the process/equation/way to prove that SELF doesn’t exist.

Please don’t bore me with evolution which has originated from the Big Bang theory which is utter nonsense as we know.

Only a fool believes in that nonsense.





Jasper10
 
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Sun 3 Sep, 2023 12:54 pm
@Jasper10,
The equation for balancing consciousness is +/-=+/- which produces a symmetrical vibratory balance of the electromagnetic forces of nature which cannot be cancelled out.The brain has balanced electromagnetic forces within it.

I have control over consciousness because I know how the above formula relates to the psychological because my philosophy and science is sound and I know how to interpret science correctly.

Modern day science on the other hand has given up on ever understanding consciousness because it hasn’t got a clue and it’s philosophy and science is unsound and is therefore unable to make any connection whatsoever with the psychological.

I have balanced dualism and remain separate from it.

There is another kind of knowledge.It’s called experiential knowledge.









 

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