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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
neologist
 
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Wed 21 Oct, 2015 12:02 pm
@FBM,
neologist wrote:
Go back to page 16 of this thread if you wish to see the battlefield.
FBM wrote:
OK, I did that and saw that the question was summarily dealt with, and not to your favor. Now what?
How closely did you read? Or were you simply swayed by the group?
Posted by farmer here
farmerman wrote:
you suffer from a Creationist view that requires ALL morphological modifications to have occurred AT ONCE. That wasn't the case at all with whales. The fossil record is the best source of gradualistic morphological changes. The genetic and embryological records of existing cetaceasns are merely "record keeping" of what has clearly happened From the Paleocene onward.
But in the case of the blowhole, simultaneous modifications are an absolute necessity. A perfectly developed blowhole would be fatal without breach birth, for example.

Posted by farmer here.(bold italics mine)

farmerman wrote:
. . .Evolution is often, as Miller says

1Being at the right place at the right time

2 TAking whats already there and doing something new with it.

Thus the whale. The only thing I think we should be more considering of is that one of the early "LAWS" of evolution candidacy as verbalized by RAup is that " being a candidate for evolution rather than extinction is usually directly proportional to the number of species in ones genus. So Indohyus may have been a genus with a number of species, each with a minor niche adaptation that made one or more of them learn to love being a MARINE ANIMAL.

We haven't found all these "cousin" fossils as of yet so we cant, in a strait face stand around and pour all of our evolutionarily needed traits onto little Indohyus. He just has about 5 or 6 adaptations that are more precetacean than not (and his fossils were clearly indicating a marine affinity) in the ancient Indian sub continent alongside the nasty firey landside conditions that Indohyus may have learned to escape.
So, I ask how the links escaped death by drowning or strangulation?
FBM
 
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Wed 21 Oct, 2015 12:13 pm
@neologist,
Argumentum ad ignorantiam again? God of the Gaps again? I saw others post science. I saw you posting denialist word salads. There's the fossil record, genetics, etc etc. When you have something as strong as that to support your god hypothesis, we'll talk. Simple nay-saying is child's play. You want us to explain every minute detail about every step of every mutation, but you won't give us anything whatsoever solid for your competing hypothesis. Let's level the playing field. Present something as solid for your god hypothesis as has been presented for evolution. Once you've caught up, we'll proceed.
neologist
 
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Wed 21 Oct, 2015 12:21 pm
@FBM,
There is a synchronicity between swallowing and breathing that is distinctly different between land and sea mammals. That along with the necessity for breach birth would have had to develop simultaneously. Show the fossil evidence without simply saying it must have happened.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 21 Oct, 2015 12:44 pm
Why do you suppose men have nipples?
neologist
 
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Wed 21 Oct, 2015 04:28 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Why do you suppose men have nipples?
As a complement to navels.
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FBM
 
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Wed 21 Oct, 2015 06:55 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

There is a synchronicity between swallowing and breathing that is distinctly different between land and sea mammals. That along with the necessity for breach birth would have had to develop simultaneously. Show the fossil evidence without simply saying it must have happened.


You've got a lot of catching up to do, evidence-wise. You'll get more from me when you've shown some for your god hypothesis.
Briancrc
 
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Wed 21 Oct, 2015 07:43 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Why do you suppose men have nipples?


Oh, Frank, thank you for this gift Wink
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Thu 22 Oct, 2015 01:46 am
@martinies,
there is no such a thing as time.

Or tell me what time is.

You very simply can't.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Thu 22 Oct, 2015 01:48 am
@parados,
Quote:
Because there is no evidence that you are denying it for lack of evidence. Where is your evidence? I see none. All you do is spout nonsense without any evidence of why you deny the theory.


I think I am rather clear.

It is not up to me to show evidence. You are extremely illogical here.
It is up to the evolution religionists to come up with (macro) evidence.

As long as they can't present it, NO evolution.

Difficult eh?
martinies
 
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Thu 22 Oct, 2015 02:27 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Que. Where do you think zebra strips came from. Some dude painting em on ha. Like the way your giving the egotists a run though..
Quehoniaomath
 
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Thu 22 Oct, 2015 03:02 am
@martinies,
Quote:
Que. Where do you think zebra strips came from. Some dude painting em on ha. Like the way your giving the egotists a run though..


What are you trying to say?

Now..about the evidence
martinies
 
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Thu 22 Oct, 2015 06:27 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Que human beings are continually changing shape take a look in your local high street. Thats change of form by means of relativeness in action. But relativeness is of its self nonmoving. Consciousness as relativeness can be seen as nonmoving in any ref frame.
neologist
 
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Thu 22 Oct, 2015 11:17 am
@FBM,
neologist wrote:
There is a synchronicity between swallowing and breathing that is distinctly different between land and sea mammals. That along with the necessity for breach birth would have had to develop simultaneously. Show the fossil evidence without simply saying it must have happened.
FBM wrote:
You've got a lot of catching up to do, evidence-wise. You'll get more from me when you've shown some for your god hypothesis.
You read the conclusions of the 'experts' and conclude that because they are 'experts' they must be correct. You call that 'evidence'.

But the conundrums associated with the migrating nostril are impossible to ignore.
neologist
 
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Thu 22 Oct, 2015 11:20 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Why do you suppose men have nipples?
BTW, what is that weird dot in FBM's avatar?
Quehoniaomath
 
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Thu 22 Oct, 2015 12:29 pm
@martinies,
Quote:
Que human beings are continually changing shape take a look in your local high street. Thats change of form by means of relativeness in action. But relativeness is of its self nonmoving. Consciousness as relativeness can be seen as nonmoving in any ref frame.


what are you trying to say, mate?
martinies
 
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Thu 22 Oct, 2015 12:53 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Things in nature change form in relativity to other things in nature and some call that evolution. But relativity its self does not change in local nature because it relativity is nonlocality and some call that god.Your consciousness is pure relativity as the experiencer of the brain event.
martinies
 
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Thu 22 Oct, 2015 04:11 pm
@martinies,
Before anything was nonlocality was and after something was nonlocality was the relativity in that local something that was.
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FBM
 
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Thu 22 Oct, 2015 07:14 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

neologist wrote:
There is a synchronicity between swallowing and breathing that is distinctly different between land and sea mammals. That along with the necessity for breach birth would have had to develop simultaneously. Show the fossil evidence without simply saying it must have happened.
FBM wrote:
You've got a lot of catching up to do, evidence-wise. You'll get more from me when you've shown some for your god hypothesis.
You read the conclusions of the 'experts' and conclude that because they are 'experts' they must be correct. You call that 'evidence'.

But the conundrums associated with the migrating nostril are impossible to ignore.


Catch up. Resolve some of the conundrums concerning your invisible friend.
neologist
 
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Thu 22 Oct, 2015 07:32 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
Catch up. . .
I think perhaps I should wait up.
FBM
 
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Thu 22 Oct, 2015 07:35 pm
@neologist,
If you're waiting for us to accept Bronze Age myths (and your latter-day myths) and subsequent fanfiction apologetics in lieu of evidence, you've got a long wait ahead of you.
 

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