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Americans : aren't you convinced now that Iran is peaceful and Israel is war monger ?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 04:10 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

BillRM wrote:

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Can u sum up what he said ?




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http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Full-text-of-Netanyahus-speech-at-the-UN-General-Assembly


To understand what the world would be like with a nuclear-armed Iran, just imagine the world with a nuclear-armed Al-Qaeda.

It makes no difference whether these lethal weapons are in the hands of the world's most dangerous terrorist regime or the world's most dangerous terrorist organization. They're both fired by the same hatred; they're both driven by the same lust for violence.

Just look at what the Iranian regime has done up till now, without nuclear weapons.

In 2009, they brutally put down mass protests for democracy in their own country. Today, their henchmen are participating in the slaughter of tens of thousands of Syrian civilians, including thousands of children, directly participating in this murder.

They abetted the killing of American soldiers in Iraq and continue to do so in Afghanistan. Before that, Iranian proxies killed hundreds of American troops in Beirut and in Saudi Arabia. They've turned Lebanon and Gaza into terror strongholds, embedding nearly 100,000 missiles and rockets in civilian areas. Thousands of these rockets and missiles have already been fired at Israeli communities by their terrorist proxies.

In the last year, they've spread their international terror networks to two dozen countries across five continents – from India and Thailand to Kenya and Bulgaria. They've even plotted to blow up a restaurant a few blocks from the White House in order to kill a diplomat.

And of course, Iran's rulers repeatedly deny the Holocaust and call for Israel's destruction almost on a daily basis, as they did again this week from the United Nations.

So I ask you, given this record of Iranian aggression without nuclear weapons, just imagine Iranian aggression with nuclear weapons. Imagine their long range missiles tipped with nuclear warheads, their terror networks armed with atomic bombs.

Who among you would feel safe in the Middle East? Who would be safe in Europe? Who would be safe in America? Who would be safe anywhere?
There are those who believe that a nuclear-armed Iran can be deterred like the Soviet Union.

That's a very dangerous assumption.

Militant Jihadists behave very differently from secular Marxists. There were no Soviet suicide bombers. Yet Iran produces hordes of them.

Deterrence worked with the Soviets, because every time the Soviets faced a choice between their ideology and their survival, they chose their survival.

But deterrence may not work with the Iranians once they get nuclear weapons.
There's a great scholar of the Middle East, Prof. Bernard Lewis, who put it best. He said that for the Ayatollahs of Iran, mutually assured destruction is not a deterrent, it's an inducement.

Iran's apocalyptic leaders believe that a medieval holy man will reappear in the wake of a devastating Holy War, thereby ensuring that their brand of radical Islam will rule the earth.

That's not just what they believe. That's what is actually guiding their policies and their actions.

Just listen to Ayatollah Rafsanjani who said, I quote: "The use of even one nuclear bomb inside Israel will destroy everything, however it would only harm the Islamic world."

Rafsanjani said: "It is not irrational to contemplate such an eventuality."
Not irrational…

And that's coming from one of the so-called moderates of Iran.

Shockingly, some people have begun to peddle the absurd notion that a nuclear-armed Iran would actually stabilize the Middle East.

Yeah, right…

That's like saying a nuclear-armed Al-Qaeda would usher in an era of universal peace.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I've been speaking about the need to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons for over 15 years.

I spoke about it in my first term in office as Prime Minister, and then I spoke about it when I left office. I spoke about it when it was fashionable, and I spoke about it when it wasn't fashionable.

I speak about it now because the hour is getting late, very late. I speak about it now because the Iranian nuclear calendar doesn't take time out for anyone or for anything. I speak about it now because when it comes to the survival of my country, it's not only my right to speak; it's my duty to speak. And I believe that this is the duty of every responsible leader who wants to preserve world peace.
For nearly a decade, the international community has tried to stop the Iranian nuclear program with diplomacy.

That hasn't worked.

Iran uses diplomatic negotiations as a means to buy time to advance its nuclear program.

For over seven years, the international community has tried sanctions with Iran. Under the leadership of President Obama, the international community has passed some of the strongest sanctions to date.

I want to thank the governments represented here that have joined in this effort. It's had an effect. Oil exports have been curbed and the Iranian economy has been hit hard.

It's had an effect on the economy, but we must face the truth. Sanctions have not stopped Iran's nuclear program either.

According to the International Atomic Energy Agency, during the last year alone, Iran has doubled the number of centrifuges in its underground nuclear facility in Qom.

At this late hour, there is only one way to peacefully prevent Iran from getting atomic bombs. That's by placing a clear red line on Iran's nuclear weapons program.

Red lines don't lead to war; red lines prevent war.

Look at NATO's charter: it made clear that an attack on one member country would be considered an attack on all. NATO's red line helped keep the peace in Europe for nearly half a century.

President Kennedy set a red line during the Cuban Missile Crisis. That red line also prevented war and helped preserve the peace for decades.

In fact, it's the failure to place red lines that has often invited aggression.
If the Western powers had drawn clear red lines during the 1930s, I believe they would have stopped Nazi aggression and World War II might have been avoided.

In 1990, if Saddam Hussein had been clearly told that his conquest of Kuwait would cross a red line, the first Gulf War might have been avoided.
Clear red lines have also worked with Iran.

Earlier this year, Iran threatened to close the Straits of Hormouz. The United States drew a clear red line and Iran backed off.

Red lines could be drawn in different parts of Iran's nuclear weapons program. But to be credible, a red line must be drawn first and foremost in one vital part of their program: on Iran's efforts to enrich uranium. Now let me explain why:
Basically, any bomb consists of explosive material and a mechanism to ignite it.

The simplest example is gunpowder and a fuse. That is, you light the fuse and set off the gunpowder.

In the case of Iran's plans to build a nuclear weapon, the gunpowder is enriched uranium. The fuse is a nuclear detonator.

For Iran, amassing enough enriched uranium is far more difficult than producing the nuclear fuse.

For a country like Iran, it takes many, many years to enrich uranium for a bomb. That requires thousands of centrifuges spinning in tandem in very big industrial plants. Those Iranian plants are visible and they're still vulnerable.
In contrast, Iran could produce the nuclear detonator – the fuse – in a lot less time, maybe under a year, maybe only a few months.

The detonator can be made in a small workshop the size of a classroom. It may be very difficult to find and target that workshop, especially in Iran. That's a country that's bigger than France, Germany, Italy and Britain combined.
The same is true for the small facility in which they could assemble a warhead or a nuclear device that could be placed in a container ship. Chances are you won't find that facility either.

So in fact the only way that you can credibly prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, is to prevent Iran from amassing enough enriched uranium for a bomb.

So, how much enriched uranium do you need for a bomb? And how close is Iran to getting it?

Let me show you. I brought a diagram for you. Here's the diagram.

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Thanks, Bill.
I must agree with and adopt the vu
expressed in this speech. We need to take care of this problem
before its too late
!





David



Glad Bill gave you the complete speech.

Interesting that you endorse this stance.

As I indicated...I think Bibi is way off base...and I suspect most Americans will see the Israeli Prime Minister's stance as way off-base also.

I certainly hope so.
. . . because Al Qaeda is just not the same,
without nuclear weapons
. . .
InfraBlue
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 08:22 am
@OmSigDAVID,
What does Iran have to do with al Qaeda?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 08:58 am
@InfraBlue,
I am bringing out the point that Iran
is possessed of the same mind-set,
the same desires n goals as the 9/11/1 bom ers.

The ONLY reason that the Moslems
did not nuke us on 9/11/1 is that thay cud not do it then.

On the first day that the Moslems CAN nuke us, thay WILL,
for the same reasons as the original 9/11/1 attacks.

This is an INTOLERABLE THREAT.
RABEL222
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 09:23 am
Keep in mind that David is paranoid, as is Bibi.
Advocate
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 09:28 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I don't often agree with David, but he is correct now. The Arabs have a long history of using whatever weapon is in their arsenal.

With nuke proliferation, I don't give Israel much chance to survive. However, when that happens, a lot of Muslims will also bite the dust. Much of he ME will be radiated dust. Further, the world may not survive the resultant nuclear winter.
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JTT
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 10:15 am
@TomBecker89,
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what do you mean by that ?


OmSigD is trying to advance one of his idiotic notions about how the English language works.
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JTT
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 10:26 am
@BillRM,
Gee, Bibi forget to catalog all the US war crimes and terrorist activities. That's not like him and the Americans. Both are just so dedicated to the truth.
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JTT
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 10:29 am
@roger,
But you are enough of a coward, Roger the dodger, to studiously avoid discussing them. Instead you opt for the typical crap that ensure your cowards will give you a resounding thumbs up.
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JTT
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 10:31 am
@tsarstepan,
You got voted up for pointing out the ignorance of the average American and the US media.

Are things looking up, Tsars?
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InfraBlue
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 01:32 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
The reasons for the original 9/11 attacks were the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia, sanctions against Iraq and US support of Israel.

The only grievance left today is the US' support of Israel.

The US shouldn't be supporting that oppressive state.
BillRM
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 01:35 pm
@InfraBlue,
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The US shouldn't be supporting that oppressive state.


Like hell we should not be supporting Israel.
InfraBlue
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 04:02 pm
@BillRM,
Says you.
BillRM
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 04:20 pm
@InfraBlue,
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Says you.


Say me and most of my fellow citizens so your point is what?
InfraBlue
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 04:29 pm
@BillRM,
The point is that the assertion that "like hell we should not be supporting Israel" isn't a very well articulated argument.

The assertion that you and most of your fellow citizens say so is also not a very well articulated argument, and is an argumentum ad populum fallacy to boot.
BillRM
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 04:50 pm
@InfraBlue,
LOL you argument that we should be like Spain and run and hide every time some third world terrorists get annoy at our actions is not worth a lot of efforts to counter either.

If the second most powerful nuclear arms nation on earth at the time could not force us to leave the city of Berlin and it citizens to the mercy of the former USSR then why the hell should we allow some terrorists to do the same in regard to our
ally Israel?
RABEL222
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 08:02 pm
@BillRM,
But as more and more of your fellow citizens become educated as to what Israel is up too fewer and fewer of them agree with you. Wouldent surprise me if you were a minority right now.
BillRM
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 08:35 pm
@RABEL222,
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Wouldent surprise me if you were a minority right now.


What drugs are you on?
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BillRM
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 08:43 pm
@RABEL222,
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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/americans-support-israel-poll/2012/12/31/id/469521


Americans support Israel over the Palestinians by a five-to-one ratio, a survey by the Pew Research Center has revealed.

In the poll, conducted after the conflict between Israel and Hamas forces in Gaza in November, 50 percent sympathize more with Israel, compared with just 10 percent who sympathize more with the Palestinians, Pew said.

At the same time, 23 percent had no opinion, while 13 percent said they sympathized with neither side.

In May, 48 percent sided with Israel compared to 11 percent who stood behind the Palestinians.

Pew says there continue to be “stark partisan differences’’ in Middle East sympathies.

“Conservative Republicans maintain strong support for Israel, with fully 75 percent saying they sympathize with Israel compared with just percent who sympathize with the Palestinians,’’ the non-partisan think tank said in a statement.

“By contrast, liberal Democrats are much more divided: 33 percent sympathize more with Israel, 22 percent with the Palestinians.

Independents sympathize more with Israel by a 47 percent to 13 percent margin.

Among religious groups, white evangelical Protestants remain supportive of Israel, with 67 percent sympathizing more with Israel and only 5 percent with the Palestinians.

Catholics offered more sympathy for Israel than the Palestinians by a 44 percent to 11 percent margin.

“This latest survey again shows that Americans continue to display strong support for Israel as a U.S. ally and clarity of understanding as to the nature of the Arab war on Israel,’’ Morton Klein, national president of the Zionist Organization of America, told




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Ceili
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2013 11:31 pm
Good lord, I have many Iranian friends and even they wouldn't make that statement. It takes more than words to make a true statement and Rohani, even though he seems a moderate, time will tell.
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oralloy
 
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Thu 3 Oct, 2013 12:23 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
Keep in mind that David is paranoid, as is Bibi.

Keep in mind that Obama is going to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. And unless Iran changes course, that will involve bombing Iran.
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