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Israel Has Reason to be Paranoid

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 01:03 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

There are now only eight nations who may legally possess nuclear weapons:

US
Russia
China
UK
France
Israel
India
Pakistan
India, Israel, North Korea, Pakistan and South Sudan are non-parties of the NPT. (India, Israel, and Pakistan have never signed the treaty.)
That's why I wrote:
(Okay, there are some limits for some by rulings of the International Court of Justice, but who bothers about that?)


oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 01:51 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
India, Israel, North Korea, Pakistan and South Sudan are non-parties of the NPT.

North Korea's withdrawal from the NPT has no validity. That is why the world hammers them with crippling sanctions.

I hadn't thought about South Sudan. Possibly as a new nation they could repudiate the treaty and legitimately acquire nuclear weapons.

I doubt they will pursue that course, but it is an intriguing possibility.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 03:57 am
@oralloy,
Might be. But nevertheless: Israel, besides India and Pakistan, never signed the NPT.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 04:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
oralloy wrote:
There are now only eight nations who may legally possess nuclear weapons:

US
Russia
China
UK
France
Israel
India
Pakistan
Walter Hinteler wrote:
But nevertheless: Israel, besides India and Pakistan, never signed the NPT.

Israel is one of four nuclear-armed countries not recognized as a Nuclear Weapons State by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), the others being India, Pakistan and North Korea.

Israel follows here a policy known as "nuclear opacity" [after the "nuclear ambiguity", lasting until around 1970], which it sees as a deterrent against its neighbours.

Following the Nixon-Meir deal, the USA didn't pressure Israel to sign the NPT.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 08:37 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
who may legally possess nuclear weapons:


You have no conception of the word, 'legal'. You constantly make apologies for the most vicious of war crimes and terrorism committed not only by the US but also by Israel.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 09:45 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

The thing that you don't realize, or basically reject, is that it makes eminent sense for the USA to fully support Israel.

Every president, once he has served some time in office, realizes that the USA get a tremendous return for the bucks loaned or given Israel. The intell and technology from Israel is very valuable to us. It is the only real democracy in the Middle East, and the best and most valuable ally in the ME.

Moreover, what is given Israel is peanuts (about the value of a couple bombers). Further, much of the money given Israel is returned as payments for arms, etc.




You are not including that as an ally, Israel has not cost us the loss of any U.S. military, to help them fight four wars (did the 1957 war cost the U.S. any loss of life?). Well, we helped Britain twice in the 20th century, and the U.S. lost over 1/2 million personnel. It sounds like Israel is the proverbial bargain, as an ally that has had to fight four wars to stay alive.

Naturally, anyone that does not see the existence of Israel as important is obviously not a bible believing Christian. Notice how many of those that do not value the bible (not the early colonists for sure) might be ready to correct the international affairs of the nation, now that they have overcome the oftentimes illiteracy of ancestors. Isn't it a negative stereotype of Jews to "take over"? Ha!
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 09:50 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

To support Israel the way we...way out of proportion to the way we support the Arabs...does not make any kind of sense at all...eminent or otherwise.



Don't Muslim nations support other Muslim nations out of all proportion to Christian (majority) nations? And, if you remember, the early colonists thought of themselves as Hebrew Christians, going to a promised land from the persecution of Europe. But, now that you don't have to live in Mary land (aka, Maryland), you can forget what the early country was supposed to be, until the expedient decision was made to man the assembly lines.
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 09:52 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Quote:
It is the only real democracy in the Middle East


No it's not.

In a real democracy, everyone gets a vote regardless of their ethnicity. This propaganda point is repeated incessantly, but that doesn't make it true.


Arab Israelis do get a vote. Gaza and the West Bank is not Israel proper. The Palestineans are sort of people without a country. Send in the missionaries?
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 09:54 am
@Foofie,
Quote:
Israel has not cost us the loss of any U.S. military,


Always with the hyper-conceited 'we we we', Foofie. Consider the unconditional support that Israel has given in support of the myriad US terrorism and war crimes. In return, the US has supported Israel in its war crimes and terrorism.

And yet you so hypocritically always lash out at Europe for its long past sins, ones that they have taken major steps towards rectifying and apologizing for.

The US and Israel continue unabated in their genocidal actions, their war crimes, their daily terrorist actions.

You really do have a major problem facing up to reality, doncha?
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 09:59 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Lebanon is the democracy, not Israel. Israel does not let everyone under its control vote. Not for a body that has any power anyway.


Specious. Citizens vote. Can Commonwealth countries vote in British elections? Perhaps, Gaza and the West Bank should become an Israeli Commonwealth?
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 10:01 am
@Foofie,
Having trouble facing up to reality, Foofie?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 10:01 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

To support Israel the way we...way out of proportion to the way we support the Arabs...does not make any kind of sense at all...eminent or otherwise.



Don't Muslim nations support other Muslim nations out of all proportion to Christian (majority) nations? And, if you remember, the early colonists thought of themselves as Hebrew Christians, going to a promised land from the persecution of Europe. But, now that you don't have to live in Mary land (aka, Maryland), you can forget what the early country was supposed to be, until the expedient decision was made to man the assembly lines.


Because your friends want to jump off a cliff...are you going to jump off a cliff!

The fact that others do it is not a reasonable justification for us doing it. All that does is to let others determine how we will conduct ourselves.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 10:04 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

...All that said, however, Israel has got to get over the notion that everything is about them...


They might be remembering a smaller world, when pagans were pagans, and lions made pagans laugh at the Coliseum?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 10:14 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

...All that said, however, Israel has got to get over the notion that everything is about them...


They might be remembering a smaller world, when pagans were pagans, and lions made pagans laugh at the Coliseum?


I am sure you considered that very clever, Foof...but I have no idea of what you were trying to get across. If you want to explain...fine. If not...so be it.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 10:21 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Frank Apisa wrote:

...All that said, however, Israel has got to get over the notion that everything is about them...


I'm sure that you can't even begin to grasp how hypocritical that is, Frank.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 11:18 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
Can Commonwealth countries vote in British elections?


Of course not, and we can't vote in Commonwealth countries. Unlike Palestine, Commonwealth countries have self determination. British troops don't occupy Commonwealth countries. Nor do they kick people out of their homes and install far right fascists.

Other than that, a really brilliant analogy.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 11:20 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
Well, we helped Britain twice in the 20th century,


And kidnapped, tortured and murdered our soldiers.
contrex
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 11:29 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Foofie wrote:
Well, we helped Britain twice in the 20th century,


And kidnapped, tortured and murdered our soldiers.


My aunt, a nurse, got her arm blown off in a Stern Gang bomb attack while in a bus heading for the docks to embark for Britain. Others weren't so lucky, including a baby.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 11:34 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
British troops don't occupy Commonwealth countries.


Anymore.

Quote:
Nor do they kick people out of their homes and install far right fascists.


No, the US developed that policy as a way to increase plausible deniability and to cut costs while still being able to maintain high levels of theft.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 11:55 am
@JTT,
Says the man who refuses to answer a straight question and has rape fantasies about thirteen year old girls.

You need to put your mown house in order.
 

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