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Shooting at Washington Shipyard

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 01:53 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
The Bailiwick of Jersey was part of German occupied France from 30 June 1940 until 9 May 1945. What does that mean for English and Welsh law? And how is it related to the shooting in Washington?


Quote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Islands

Commonwealth to be occupied by the German Army during World War II.
The British Government demilitarised the islands in June 1940 and the Lieutenant-Governors were withdrawn on 21 June, leaving the insular administrations to continue government as best they could under impending military occupation.[7]
Before German troops landed, between 30 June and 4 July 1940, evacuation took place (many young men had already left to join the Allied armed forces): 6,600 out of 50,000 left Jersey whilst 17,000 out of 42,000 left Guernsey.[8] Thousands of children were evacuated with their schools to England and Scotland.


Crowds cheer as the Channel Islands are liberated at Saint Peter Port in 1945
The population of Sark largely remained where they were;[7] but in Alderney, the entire population, save for six persons, left. In Alderney, the occupying Germans built four concentration camps in which over 700 people out of a total prisoner population of about 6,000 died. Due to the destruction of documents, it is impossible to state how many forced workers died in the other islands.[7] These were the only Nazi concentration camps on British soil.[9][10]
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 01:55 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

They was part of English Empire not France for centuries..................
Quote:
Jersey has enjoyed self-government since the division of the Duchy of Normandy in 1204.
Do you know that the 13 Colonies declared independence from Great Britain in 1776?
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 01:59 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Jersey has enjoyed self-government since the division of the Duchy of Normandy in 1204.


So does Commonwealth of Puerto Rico enjoyed self government but they are still are US citizens and part of the US.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:00 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
The Bailiwick of Jersey was part of German occupied France from 30 June 1940 until 9 May 1945. What does that mean for English and Welsh law? And how is it related to the shooting in Washington?


WRONG


Quote:
According to all what I can find, I am correct. To quote a local source, the Société Jersiaise: "Jersey was occupied by Nazi Germany from 30 June 1940 until the liberation on 9 May 1945."
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:03 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

So does Commonwealth of Puerto Rico enjoyed self government but they are still are US citizens and part of the US.
The citizens of Jersey are citizens of Jersey since Jersey isn't a part of the UK. Thus, they don't have a UK passport
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:07 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Already have cover that issue in my postings in detail.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:12 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Already have cover that issue in my postings in detail.
But either you don't understand it or ...
BillRM wrote:

So does Commonwealth of Puerto Rico enjoyed self government but they are still are US citizens and part of the US.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:13 pm
@BillRM,
From Bill's quote
Quote:
Under the UK Interpretation Act 1978, the Channel Islands are deemed to be part of the British Islands,[23] not to be confused with the British Isles.


Under the act, the Channels Islands and the Isle of Man are NOT part of the United Kingdom.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:18 pm
@parados,
From Bill's favourite source, wikipedia:
Quote:
British Islands is a term within the law of the United Kingdom which since 1889 has referred collectively to the following four states:
- the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (formerly the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland);
- the Bailiwick of Jersey;
- the Bailiwick of Guernsey (including Alderney, Herm, and Sark);
and
- the Isle of Man.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
But either you don't understand it or ...


Can they or can they not move to the UK mainland and take up the rights and duties of UK citizens or not?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:22 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Can they or can they not move to the UK mainland and take up the rights and duties of UK citizens or not?
They can move to any EU-country without any restrictions. France would be the nearest, but the UK is second to that.
And they can apply for UK-citizenship, like anyone else.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:22 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
But either you don't understand it or ...


Can they or can they not move to the UK mainland and take up the rights and duties of UK citizens or not?

They can do that if they were born in Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, the Falkland Islands and several other places. It doesn't make Bermuda etc part of the UK.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:25 pm
@BillRM,
This started because you claimed the channel islands were part of the UK. You are now changing your claim. The channel islands are NOT part of the UK. British law clearly says as much.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:26 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

They can do that if they were born in Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, the Falkland Islands and several other places. It doesn't make Bermuda etc part of the UK.
It's a bit different since the British Isles are part of the EU, Bermuda isn't, the Falkland Islands are a British Overseas Territory ... Wink
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:32 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

BillRM wrote:

Quote:
But either you don't understand it or ...


Can they or can they not move to the UK mainland and take up the rights and duties of UK citizens or not?

They can do that if they were born in Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, the Falkland Islands and several other places. It doesn't make Bermuda etc part of the UK.


Actually the Channel Islands are a millionaire's playground. If you're not a Channel Islander, or very rich your chances of moving there permanently are pretty much zero.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:35 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Well the UK hung them out to dry during WW2 that for sure letting "your" people walk in and take over.


In the same way America let the Philippines "hang out to dry."
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:46 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

parados wrote:

They can do that if they were born in Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, the Falkland Islands and several other places. It doesn't make Bermuda etc part of the UK.
It's a bit different since the British Isles are part of the EU, Bermuda isn't, the Falkland Islands are a British Overseas Territory ... Wink
Actually and to confuse Bill a bit more, the UK's Immigration Rule says that the United Kingdom, the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man and the Republic of Ireland collectively form a common travel area.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:53 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Actually the Channel Islands are a millionaire's playground. If you're not a Channel Islander, or very rich your chances of moving there permanently are pretty much zero.
I've a couple of non-millionair Channel Islanders, who frequently use the ferry to Poole ... for car repairs and to shop at the Aldi and Lidl there Smile
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 02:56 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I'm glad some things are cheaper over here. 5% VAT is well cheap.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 03:28 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
In the same way America let the Philippines "hang out to dry."


Sorry but unlike you in the channel islands we did not removed our troops from the Philippines and we lost tens of thousand of those troops fighting to keep the island.

Nor did we bypass the Philippines and waited for the end of the war like your nation did to get them return back but invaded them and kicked the rear end of the Japaneses.

We have a lot to be proud of concerning the Philippines during WW2 and England should hang it head in shame over the channel islands.
 

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