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Top Ten Things Professors Do To Skew You

 
 
L R R Hood
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 06:30 pm
I thought more teachers were liberal to support the teachers' union.
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IronLionZion
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 06:41 pm
Its not our fault that most highly educated people tend to be Liberal.

The blue swaths on the election map? Higher concentrations of people who have completed higher education. Make what assumptions you will.

If you, personally, equate education with intelligence then you have no choice to accept the fact that a disproportionate amount of 'intelligent' people--or those educated much beyond high school--are liberal.

I make no normative claims about this fact, but it is what it is.

Further, I think that conservatives often miscontrue the presentation of objective facts as being a "liberal bias," simply because those facts may support a liberal point of view.

We could, of course, go down to Alabama, where conservatives are the majority, and recruit some trailer park denizens with a conservative battle flag in the window, and who possess a combined 12 years of education between them, then allow them to take over the nations educational institutions....but, somehow, I find the idea lacking.
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Adrian
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 06:48 pm
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If you, personally, equate education with intelligence then you have no choice to accept the fact that a disproportionate amount of 'intelligent' people--or those educated much beyond high school--are liberal.


In the realm of academia maybe, but I highly doubt this would be true of the business world in your country or mine.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 07:03 pm
IronLionZion wrote:
Its not our fault that most highly educated people tend to be Liberal.

The blue swaths on the election map? Higher concentrations of people who have completed higher education. Make what assumptions you will.


Dunno exactly how it is in America, but over here both people with university education AND people with only lower education vote above-proportionally leftwing - while its the people in between, who did vocational training and so on, who tend to vote more rightwing.

Course, there's clear extremes - a low-education/high-income voter is most likely quite far to the right, while high-education/low-income pretty much equates to a green left or socialist party voter ;-).

But low education / low income means usually Labour, also left-wing, while like Adrian said, the university-educated people who went to earn money in the market sector are often right-wing. So here, at least, your blue/red analysis wouldnt apply - and to be honest I suspect it doesnt really work all quite like that in the US, either.

Lucky thing, too - cause the more the Dems hole themselves up in the "Starbucks ghetto", the less chance they'll ever have of gaining back the WH - not to mention that it would be the betrayal of a long tradition of working class Progressive movements, trade unions, etc.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 07:08 pm
many of us are in academia (grad school, in my case) because we are more interested in our subjects than making a pile'o'money. I am passionately interested in lay spirituality in 15th century Germany. I couldn't give an aviating rodent's rump about being in business, or money, or any of that crap! All I care about is being able to eat, live indoors, and buy books! I am quite aware that after completing my PhD I am likely to remain an "adjunct for life," teaching part time at various colleges and universities in an area, rather than getting one of the few tenure track jobs available, but guess what...I don't care! I quite honestly find conspicuous consumption of the type that so many aspire to distasteful. I don't want a huge house, I don't need a new SUV, I don't care about time shares in the Bahamas, none of those are important. If those are the most important things to you (and they seem to be to those on the far right), then god for you. Get a tech school degree, or a business degree, or just skip the education you are not going to use anyway and become a drug dealer or a politician.
I have never experienced, in several years, two undergraduate degrees, an MA, and now a PhD program the things that this group seems to be implying are rampant. A similar measure was entered into the Colorado state legislature recently, and died. Interestingly enough, at the college where I am an adjunct, a group of conservative students has been harassing a professor form the Poli Sci dept over her supposed failure of a student for his political views. It turns out the student lied, but Campus Republicans is still attempting to have this woman fired. In addition, this woman has received anonymous death threats. So my question is: which group is the real threat to free speech on campus? It doesn't seem like the "liberal faculty members."

Professor fears for safety after threats
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IronLionZion
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 07:48 pm
Adrian wrote:
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If you, personally, equate education with intelligence then you have no choice to accept the fact that a disproportionate amount of 'intelligent' people--or those educated much beyond high school--are liberal.


In the realm of academia maybe, but I highly doubt this would be true of the business world in your country or mine.


No doubt due to the fact that the primary motivation of the former is the search for truth, while in the latters case, its profit.
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IronLionZion
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 07:56 pm
nimh wrote:
IronLionZion wrote:
Its not our fault that most highly educated people tend to be Liberal.

The blue swaths on the election map? Higher concentrations of people who have completed higher education. Make what assumptions you will.


Dunno exactly how it is in America, but over here both people with university education AND people with only lower education vote above-proportionally leftwing - while its the people in between, who did vocational training and so on, who tend to vote more rightwing.


What you say about lower income voters - which often goes hand in hand with being a minority, unfortunately - voting left wing is true in the States as well.

This, I think, is due to the fact that conservative polices are seen (correctly) as being less condusive to equality of oppurtunity than liberal policies.

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Course, there's clear extremes - a low-education/high-income voter is most likely quite far to the right, while high-education/low-income pretty much equates to a green left or socialist party voter ;-).


Yes. And, again, higher education and liberal go hand in hand.

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But low education / low income means usually Labour, also left-wing, while like Adrian said, the university-educated people who went to earn money in the market sector are often right-wing. So here, at least, your blue/red analysis wouldnt apply - and to be honest I suspect it doesnt really work all quite like that in the US, either.


Like I said to Adrian, this is due to the fact that that the primary motivation in the bussiness world is profit, not truth.

The subject of this thread has to due with truth, not which philosophy is best for maximizing individual profit.

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Lucky thing, too - cause the more the Dems hole themselves up in the "Starbucks ghetto", the less chance they'll ever have of gaining back the WH - not to mention that it would be the betrayal of a long tradition of working class Progressive movements, trade unions, etc.


True.
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husker
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 07:58 pm
Piffka wrote:
It could be when the best marketable skills are how to screw the most people out of their money...

how true in many sectors
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 08:35 pm
Brand X wrote:
It could be that most who end up being professors have little or no other marketable skills.


You wanna step over here and tell that to my husband the (new) professor? Who has worked his BUTT off for the whole dozen years that I've known him? For whom a 70-hour week is a good one -- at least he's had time to sleep?

I know you are being facetious, but that is just SO wrong.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 08:46 pm
Soz, congrats! Very Happy
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 08:49 pm
Thanks, I'm proud of him. :-)

To add one more point, in his field, those who can't get a professorship find (more lucrative but less prestigious) jobs in the industry.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 08:52 pm
Must be nice. I'm still waiting for society to discover that medievalists are much more valuable than, say, engineers or nuclear physicists. Very Happy
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suzy
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 08:57 pm
Yeah, Sozobe! That's great! Very Happy
Aint it funny; you guys neatly and handily debunked the ridiculous topic here, and then the thread becomes a diatribe against liberals!
So telling, hmm? Rolling Eyes
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 09:01 pm
But the Medievalists are so good at burning people at the stake.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 09:11 pm
sozobe wrote:
Brand X wrote:
It could be that most who end up being professors have little or no other marketable skills.


You wanna step over here and tell that to my husband the (new) professor? Who has worked his BUTT off for the whole dozen years that I've known him? For whom a 70-hour week is a good one -- at least he's had time to sleep?

I know you are being facetious, but that is just SO wrong.



Congrats to your hubby!

For the record I wasn't being facetious, I never said all professors, and I never said Liberal professors in particular.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 09:14 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
But the Medievalists are so good at burning people at the stake.

That would be the early-modernists! Very Happy
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billy falcon
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 09:17 pm
The discussion reminds me of a cartoon in the New Yorker some twenty years ago.

A young man is standing in the living room with a couple of suitcases with college pennants on them, his mother next to him, dabbing her eyes with the corner of her apron, his father in an easy chair poking his face around his newspaper says,

"Now, don't you come back with any ideas!"
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 10:15 pm
hobitbob wrote:
Lightwizard wrote:
But the Medievalists are so good at burning people at the stake.

That would be the early-modernists! Very Happy


The post modernist are no slouches in that department either. Laughing
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 10:20 pm
Then , of course, there are the Lit Crit people, who should not be allowed out without adult supervision!
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Piffka
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 10:50 pm
sozobe wrote:
Thanks, I'm proud of him. :-)

To add one more point, in his field, those who can't get a professorship find (more lucrative but less prestigious) jobs in the industry.


Well, Yay! That's great news. Congratulations to him and to you for the support I'm sure you give him. I'll bet it hasn't always been easy, no matter how much you're in love. Are you staying in the midwest?

Your quote reminds me of a law school joke... the A students become professors, the B students become judges and the C students get rich.


Omigod, Billy Falcon, I think I remember that cartoon!
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