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Why is it so important to refute Christianity?

 
 
SCoates
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2004 09:34 pm
Anyone else want in on the hug? Come on mesquite... I can see the loneliness in your eyes.
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zgreatarteest
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2004 09:47 pm
SCoates wrote:
Anyone else want in on the hug? Come on mesquite... I can see the loneliness in your eyes.


Yeah mesquite, just jump on in. You have been hanging
around the pond bank long enough. Eventually you are going
to slip and fall in anyway. "Out of your belly shall flow rivers
of living water."
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SCoates
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2004 10:07 pm
Zephania 1:10 That's my response.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2004 10:35 pm
Zgreatarteest wrote:
God says, if you are not for Him you are against Him.

Wll I'll be dipped. Z, have you got a reference for that. It sure sounds a lot like GWs line. I was wondering where he got it from.
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zgreatarteest
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 01:06 am
mesquite wrote:
Zgreatarteest wrote:
God says, if you are not for Him you are against Him.

Wll I'll be dipped. Z, have you got a reference for that. It sure sounds a lot like GWs line. I was wondering where he got it from.


How about the whole entire Bible?

2 Timothy 2:15 (Amplified Bible)
Study and be eager and do your utmost to
present yourself to God approved (tested by
trial), a workman who has no cause to be
ashamed, correctly analyzing and accurately
dividing [rightly handling and skillfully teaching]
the Word of Truth (Bible).

Now, the above verse is talking to the church of Jesus
Christ/God and does not speak to anybody else. Not
to the people described in the verse below. (Just so
you don't get any more confused). I will try to explain
why I put it there in a moment. Just hang on. I don't
want to lose you.

It is a thread, mesquite, that runs through the Bible from
the front cover to the back. But, why should you care?
For what reason on this earth would you be interested?
I seriously would like to know. There are many verses,
chapters and whole books in the Bible that point to that
conclusion, I said, that you are questioning.

You seem to think there should always be one verse for
you to pick to pieces on any statement. That is why I
showed you 2 Timothy 2:15 above; so you would hopefully
grasp the fact that that is not the case. This one verse,
below, should fit your purpose just fine and give you a good
scratching post. If this is not a "If you ain't for Me,
then you are against Me." verse, I don't know what is.
I already know you won't see it that way. Just try to
remember, spiritually speaking, there are only two
camps. God, who is light. Anyone that does not
belong to God is standing in the dark. Satan is the
dark. There are no grey areas spiritually. We are
either with God in His light or with Satan in the dark.
Satan is the adversary of God and anyone standing
out of His light is also His adversary. If we don't
belong to God we are lost forever. Anyone not
washed in the blood of Christ is against God, because
they refuse to let God clean them up spiritually. All
the good works in the world won't keep them from
eternal seperation for Him. God is spirit and Heaven
is a spiritual place. God is not going to let it be
contaminated by someone that refuses a wash job.
A lot of Christians have trouble with this, so you
should go into a real tail spin. You are now in the no
spin zone.

Study it real good anyway. You may just see some
revelation there that will pop your eyes open. There
is always hope for that as long as you are breathing.
I would pop peoples eyes open for them, but I can't.
That is the Holy Spirit's job. I can only plant His seed.
Seed, in this case, is the word of God.

1 John 2:22 (Amplified Bible)
Who is [such a] liar as he who denies that Jesus is the
Christ (the Messiah)? He is the antichrist (the antagonist
of Christ/God), who [habitually] denies and refuses to
acknowledge the Father(God) and the Son(Jesus).

We know the above is talking about lost people. Even
satan acknowledges God and Jesus. Satan is not blind,
he just wants to keep people that way.

Have a great weekend and remember......God loves you.
John 3:16

Me? I've gone fishing!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 04:45 am
swolf wrote:
Setanta wrote:

I know what Islamic law is, without your condecension......


No condescension intended. Simply from what I read, it seems obvious to me that this whole thing with islam is reaching a point at which everybody in the world will shortly have to choose sides, and I simply do not see secular humanism as a viable side.

As Liz Michael puts it, Allah might or might not trump Jehovah, but he easily trumps Mammon.


Well, now the cat's out of the bag, isn't it? If you want to rant and rage against Islam, if you are a religious bigot bound for Holy War, leave me out of it. There is nothing even tangentially related to Islam in anything i've written here. So you just run along and kill all those bad Muslims without involving me, ok?

I consider that people who think as you do are dangerously, mentally unstable. Don't address anymore of your hatefulness to me.
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Relative
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 05:23 am
Religious institutions make people think illogically, and this is not good for us. Logic has proven itself to be very successfull.

Other than this, and what follows from this, I see no problems.

Relative
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 05:24 am
Cephus wrote:
CoastalRat wrote:
Maybe I am just dense Cephus, but where is the problem here. I choose to believe that marriage is and always has been defined as a union between a man and a woman. How does my arguing against gay marriage prohibit me from believing than an individual has the personal right to practice homosexuality?


It isn't true that marriage has always been between a man and a woman. In fact, if someone has a sex change, they can legally marry someone of the same genetic sex today. Marriage has only been between men and women in the Judeo-Christian tradition, other cultures have routinely married same-sex partners.

But I'm sure you don't care about the truth, you're quite happy with your head in the Bible.


No, you are wrong about one thing Cephus. I care about the truth. So I will gladly amend my statement that in our society (which is the only one we are discussing at the moment and the only one with which we have any power to control) marriage has always been defined as the union of a man and a woman. And the same can be said for nearly all other societies. Now I am sure that you will be able to inform me as to what cultures routinely marry same sex partners, so why don't you do so. Get it off your chest and prove your point. But just because some other cultures do something does not make it right. Some cultures practice canibalism, but I don't think we want to make that legal here. Hey, how about human sacrifices. I hear some cultures have done that too. Should I just roll over and allow someone to make that legal here if they want to?
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swolf
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 06:23 am
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There is nothing even tangentially related to Islam in anything i've written here.


Maybe, but you HAVE made statements to the effect tht Christians represent some sort of ultimate danger to your fellow homosexuals and evolutionists.

I was merely pointing out the fact, which should be obvious, that that is like living in bear country and worrying about being bitten by ducks and geese.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 06:52 am
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They manage to have philo love (the conditional
kind of human love), but no agape love (the God kind of unconditional love) that holds holds Christians, who are listening to God, together.


So the 17th century in Europe was just a little rough agape love?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 07:03 am
Relative wrote:
Religious institutions make people think illogically, and this is not good for us. Logic has proven itself to be very successfull.


I think this is a very good point Relative. Pure faith comes at high risk; it leaves the mind far more open to exploitation and manipulation, than does skepticism.
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swolf
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 07:45 am
patiodog wrote:
Quote:
They manage to have philo love (the conditional
kind of human love), but no agape love (the God kind of unconditional love) that holds holds Christians, who are listening to God, together.


So the 17th century in Europe was just a little rough agape love?


Relatively speaking, yes.

Get yourself a good biography of Tamerlane, and read it.

http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/kehl04.jpg
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QKid
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 08:13 am
Hey i got a question for the Christians. Why cant God be hate?
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Cephus
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 09:19 am
zgreatarteest wrote:
Cephus wrote:

But I'm sure you don't care about the truth, you're quite happy with your head in the Bible.


He has his head buried in the only Truth to be found on this
planet.


LOL! And you wonder why people think you're nuts?
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swolf
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 10:09 am
Have you ever tried doing blasphemous artwork when it's 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 degrees in the room?

A lot of computer graphics apps stop working at 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 degrees....
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 10:09 am
This joke says it all for me.

Three friends from the local congregation were asked "When you're in your casket, and friends and congregation members are mourning over you, what would you like them to say?"

Artie said: "I would like them to say I was a wonderful husband, a fine spiritual leader, and a great family man."

Eugene commented: "I would like them to say I was a wonderful teacher and servant of God who made a huge difference in people's lives."

Don said: "I'd like them to say, "Look, he's moving!"
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SCoates
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 02:55 pm
QKid wrote:
Hey i got a question for the Christians. Why cant God be hate?


It just doesn't have the same ring to it.
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SCoates
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 02:56 pm
Relative wrote:
Religious institutions make people think illogically, and this is not good for us. Logic has proven itself to be very successfull.

Other than this, and what follows from this, I see no problems.

Relative


As difficult as it may be to believe, there are religions that condone logic. Indeed, those which are based on it.
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Cephus
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 09:03 pm
CoastalRat wrote:
Now I am sure that you will be able to inform me as to what cultures routinely marry same sex partners, so why don't you do so.


Actually, much of Europe currently has gay marriage. I recently spoke to someone from the Netherlands who tells me that they've had gay marriage for quite some time and it's been extremely successful. Divorce among gay marriages is less than half of what it is among straight marriages.

If you go back in history, the Greeks and Romans both had what amounted to gay marriage, as well as many other cultures.

There is a world outside the US, you know.
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SCoates
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 09:07 pm
Fwhat?
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