Why is it so important to refute Christianity?

Very well Zegret,

Far be it from my intentions to free any slave that would rather be kept.

I would never turn out your kine, Nor leave your swine out in the wilderness.

If a man wishes to be free though, I would do all that is in my power to help him Exclamation

Since it is not within my power to help you I must regretfully leave you to your imaginings. Sad

But if you wish some day to attempt to free yourself from the curses of the ancient superstitions I will always be willing to help as much as I can.

I note that the proverbs which you have cited are rather ambiguous Smile

Best wishes, Mech

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zgreatarteest,
Since Foxfyre never responded to an earlier post of mine, this one, perhaps you would like to have a go at it.

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mesquite wrote:

zgreatarteest,
Since Foxfyre never responded to an earlier post of mine, this one, perhaps you would like to have a go at it.

Proverbs 14 (Amplified Bible)
6 A scoffer seeks Wisdom in vain [for his very attitude
blinds and deafens him to it], but knowledge is easy
to him who [being teachable] understands.
7 Go from the presence of a foolish and self-confident
man, for you will not find knowledge on his lips.

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zgreatarteest wrote:

Yes, the born again spiritual man. You are
dealing with gods. The imaginary kind. I
am talking about The Living God that a
person can prove to himself to be real if
he will let God reveal Himself in ones life.
A man has a choice to allow that. Try it.
You can always come back to where you
are now. The Gospel of John chapter 3
explains how.

Of course that's a little silly. If you go talk to the believer in the "imaginary god", he'll say exactly the same thing about you. His god is real, yours is a fantasy. Since neither he nor you has the slightest shred of evidence to support the existence of your deity, you're both in the same boat. Every claim you make above, he can make equally well. Have you let Allah or Enki or Vishnu prove themselves to you? If not, why should anyone try it with your farsical deity?

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You think the God of the Bible was invented
by man. Your interpertation of 1 Corinthians
3:18 is just that. Your interpertation. Man has
no excuse not to see the God of the Bible. You
actually had to be taught not to believe.
You were well taught.

No, we know the God of the Bible was invented by man because the Bible was written by man. Nobody is born believing in a god. You don't pop out of the womb with faith, all religion is taught. A person who never learns about God will never believe in God.

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mesquite, I do hope you are not dyslexic, because
here is my whole post for you to compare your
post to.

Did anybody notice that this post was not addressed
to anybody in particular? But, if the shoe fit I guess
it would provoke a response.

Zgreatarteest wrote:

John 8 (Amplified Bible)
43 Why do you misunderstand what I say?
It is bacause you are unable to hear what
I (Jesus) am saying. [You cannot bear to
listen to My message; your ears are shut to
My teaching.]
44 Your are of your father, the devil, and it is
your will to practice the lusts and gratify the
desires [which are characteristic] of your
father. He was a murderer from the
beginning and does not stand in the truth,
because there is no truth in him. When he
speaks a falsehood, he speaks what is
natural to him, for he is a lair,: [himself]
and the father of lies and of all that is false.

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Cool sig line Cephus!

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zgreatarteest wrote:

John 8 (Amplified Bible)
43 Why do you misunderstand what I say?
It is bacause you are unable to hear what
I (Jesus) am saying. [You cannot bear to
listen to My message; your ears are shut to
My teaching.]
44 Your are of your father, the devil, and it is
your will to practice the lusts and gratify the
desires [which are characteristic] of your
father. He was a murderer from the
beginning and does not stand in the truth,
because there is no truth in him. When he
speaks a falsehood, he speaks what is
natural to him, for he is a lair [himself]
and the father of lies and of all that is false.

Here's a hint:

Bible verses don't impress anyone.

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zgreatarteest wrote:

John 8 (Amplified Bible)
43 Why do you misunderstand what I say?
It is bacause you are unable to hear what
I (Jesus) am saying. [You cannot bear to
listen to My message; your ears are shut to
My teaching.]

We could quote the same thing back at you... You cannot bear to hear our message; your ears are shut to our teaching. It works both ways.

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rosborne, But those religious (nuts) have their god listening to them and not to you. They got you beat all the way.

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Well.......in fairness to those who look at the Bible dubiously, I can appreciate how they would see that quoted scripture is less than persuasive. I am unimpressed when people try to convince me with quotes from blatantly ultra liberal writings or suggest I should read something by an author who is only slightly right of Lenin.

Mesquite, I missed your question re that Bible passage. It speaks, I think from the culture of that time and is intended to emphasize that the first allegience is to YHWH and disobedience to YHWH will not be tolerated even if the disobedient one is your own son. (A critical view of the Old Testament also reveals a lot of old-fashioned Jewish exaggeration included there too Smile

)

In judging the people of that time, I think we need to look at it from their culture, education, experience , etc. and not measure them by 21st Century ethics or morals. I know lots of Jewish people and Christian people and don't believe a single one of them would condone stoning somebody to death now.

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Cephus wrote:

Here's a hint:

Bible verses don't impress anyone.

That's, "Bible versses don't impress everybody."

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rosborne979 wrote:

We could quote the same thing back at you... You cannot bear to hear our message; your ears are shut to our teaching. It works both ways.

"We could quote the same thing back at you......"
Anton LeVay would hardly write anything equivalent.

"You cannot bear to hear our message; your ears are shut to
our teaching."
Condescending what God says is not teaching.

"It works both ways."
Hardly.

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zgreatarteest wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:
"We could quote the same thing back at you......"

Anton LeVay would hardly write anything equivalent.

I had to google Anton LeVay... you're just full of hellfire and brimstone debating tactics aren't you. First you make some unfounded claim that the United States is a Christian nation, and when I give you the historic facts you choose to ignore them. Then you try to make a connection between the simple comment above and some historic satinist figure. I haven't seen such hollow arguments since the last time I read a creationist web site.

zgreatarteest wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:
"You cannot bear to hear our message; your ears are shut to our teaching."

Condescending what God says is not teaching.

Your point of view is presumptive.

zgreatarteest wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:
"It works both ways."

Hardly.

You prove my point. Repeatedly.

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rosborne979 wrote:

zgreatarteest wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
"You cannot bear to hear our message; your ears are shut to our teaching."

Condescending what God says is not teaching.

Your point of view is presumptive.

zgreatarteest wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
"It works both ways."

Hardly.

You prove my point. Thank you.

An educated guess. And, you are welcome. Glad to help.

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Foxfyre wrote:

Well.......in fairness to those who look at the Bible dubiously, I can appreciate how they would see that quoted scripture is less than persuasive. I am unimpressed when people try to convince me with quotes from blatantly ultra liberal writings or suggest I should read something by an author who is only slightly right of Lenin.

Yep.

Foxfyre wrote:

Mesquite, I missed your question re that Bible passage. It speaks, I think from the culture of that time and is intended to emphasize that the first allegience is to YHWH and disobedience to YHWH will not be tolerated even if the disobedient one is your own son. (A critical view of the Old Testament also reveals a lot of old-fashioned Jewish exaggeration included there too

I agree.

Foxfyre wrote:

In judging the people of that time, I think we need to look at it from their culture, education, experienc , etc. and not measure them by21st Century ethics or morals.

I assume that is because 21st century ethics and morals are of a superior quality to that of the ancient Hebrews. Evidence the fact that we no longer think it proper to execute homosexuals or adulterers, or keep slaves.

In my view, we have arrived at this point in spite of biblical teachings, not because of them.

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I know lots of Jewish people and Christian people and don't believe a single one of them would condone stoning somebody to death now.

And the source of their enlightenment would be what?

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Mesquite writes:

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And the source of their enlightenment would be what?

I think part of it is normal human evolution. We do manage learn to do some things better as we go along from one generation to the next. I think part of it is modern scholarship has allowed us to see the ancient scriptures differently and with perhaps more accurate translations. And, being a Christian, I allow for the possibility of revelation.

It isn't only Christians and Jews who have 'improved' I think. I doubt those in the Deist and Athiest camps held more virtuous views than did the religious many generations ago.

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zgreatarteest wrote:

mesquite wrote:
zgreatarteest,
Since Foxfyre never responded to an earlier post of mine, this one, perhaps you would like to have a go at it.

Proverbs 14 (Amplified Bible)
6 A scoffer seeks Wisdom in vain [for his very attitude
blinds and deafens him to it], but knowledge is easy
to him who [being teachable] understands.
7 Go from the presence of a foolish and self-confident
man, for you will not find knowledge on his lips.

That was an excellent self portrait.

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mesquite wrote:

zgreatarteest wrote:
mesquite wrote:
zgreatarteest,
Since Foxfyre never responded to an earlier post of mine, this one, perhaps you would like to have a go at it.

Proverbs 14 (Amplified Bible)
6 A scoffer seeks Wisdom in vain [for his very attitude
blinds and deafens him to it], but knowledge is easy
to him who [being teachable] understands.
7 Go from the presence of a foolish and self-confident
man, for you will not find knowledge on his lips.

That was an excellent self portrait.

Good job of editing out to suit yourself. Reminds me
of a "trying to be" portrait teacher I had in one of my
art classes in college.

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Editing out to suit myself? I quoted your entire post.

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Mesquite, both verses of Proverbs is edited. Chopped
out all to pieces.

Did anybody notice that the post was not addressed to
anybody? I guess if the shoe fit it would provoke some
responses.

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