Why is it so important to refute Christianity?

Sorry mesquite. I stand corrected. It has been a long
day and I worked all last night. My eyes have gone
into eclipse.

Also, I don't have a PC. I am running a Mac OSX 2.8 Jaguar and this site is Microsoft friendly. Gets aggrevating enough
when I have had some sleep. Gone to bed to give you some
peace.

Sorry mesquite. I stand corrected. It has been a long
day and I worked all last night. My eyes have gone
into eclipse.

Proverbs 18:7
7. A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.

Just kidding. :wink:

Mesquite writes:

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And the source of their enlightenment would be what?

I think part of it is normal human evolution. We do manage learn to do some things better as we go along from one generation to the next.

I think part of it is modern scholarship has allowed us to see the ancient scriptures differently and with perhaps more accurate translations. And, being a Christian, I allow for the possibility of revelation.

It isn't only Christians and Jews who have 'improved' I think. I doubt those in the Deist and Athiest camps held more virtuous views than did the religious many generations ago.

In my view, we have arrived at this point in spite of biblical teachings, not because of them.

Cephus wrote:

Here's a hint:

Bible verses don't impress anyone.

That's, "Bible versses don't impress everybody."

But if you are not a believer Mesquite, then you see the world through a different prism than do Christians or other religious. What a Christians experiences is part of who s/he is. Without experiencing it yourself, you have no basis on which to assign the adjective 'delusional' to it. With no evidence that Christians have not had the experience they claim, it would makes as much sense to say that non-believers are the deluded ones.

The fact is that experience cannot be proved until one has it.

But what evidence is there that personal experiences claimed by Christians have no basis in reality?

There are a whole lot of empty claims, there just isn't any evidence to support that these so-called experiences actually happen and plenty to show that they do not.

When I place my hands on someone for me to be used as an instrument for healing it's pretty hard to refute.

The question is, do those personal experiences have any basis in reality, or are they just internal experiences, limited to, and created by internal forces.

If they have a basis in reality, then can it be show by any empirical evidence?

husker wrote:

When I place my hands on someone for me to be used as an instrument for healing it's pretty hard to refute.

Come on Husker, that's like me saying that if I place my hands on a rock and turn it into gold it's pretty hard to refute.

Before you would believe my claim you would want me to prove it. If I asked you to refute it before I was able to prove it, you would quickly realize that I was playing you for a fool.

But if you are not a believer Mesquite, then you see the world through a different prism than do Christians or other religious. What a Christians experiences is part of who s/he is. Without experiencing it yourself, you have no basis on which to assign the adjective 'delusional' to it. With no evidence that Christians have not had the experience they claim, it would makes as much sense to say that non-believers are the deluded ones.

. I know lots of Jewish people and Christian people and don't believe a single one of them would condone stoning somebody to death now.

And the source of their enlightenment would be what?

I think part of it is modern scholarship has allowed us to see the ancient scriptures differently and with perhaps more accurate translations. And, being a Christian, I allow for the possibility of revelation.

I think you are deceiving yourself here

The fact is that experience cannot be proved until one has it.

[When I place my hands on someone for me to be used as an instrument for healing it's pretty hard to refute.