Why is it so important to refute Christianity?

zgreatarteest - OK- I see what you are saying. You are absolutely right. I could never relate to any system of belief where the intellect is repressed in favor of faith. To each his own!

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Foxfyre wrote:

For instance, I don't know a single person who, when advised he otherwise was headed straight to hell, suddenly had a transforming epiphany and became a Christian.

Yeah, bluntly stating the truth of Christian beliefs can have that effect.

Somehow "Hey, come join my ancient cult based on a vague collection of self-contradictory fairy tales and worship a magical egotist, vote republican, and oppress homosexuals, or else burn in a hellpit forever" doesn't sound too attractive. Liberal use of euphemisms and half-truths is neccessary.

Being serious now: How would you go about bringing people into the fold?

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Foxfyre wrote:

For instance, I don't know a single person who, when advised he otherwise was headed straight to hell, suddenly had a transforming epiphany and became a Christian.

Why am I not surprised you don't know any?

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IronLionZion wrote:

Being serious now: How would you go about bringing people into the fold?

Offer immortality, a reason for life, fellowship, an answer for their mysteries, justification for their prejudices, the promise to resurrect lost loved ones, and the feeling of superiority that comes from playing harps while the infidels burn forever in hell.

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[quote="IronLionZion]
Being serious now: How would you go about bringing people into the fold?[/quote]

How about......For God so loved the world, that He he gave
His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him, shall
not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16

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Phoenix32890 wrote:

zgreatarteest - OK- I see what you are saying. You are absolutely right. I could never relate to any system of belief where the intellect is repressed in favor of faith. To each his own!

Intellect is not repressed, you just don't have any about spiritual
things until you have faith. It takes you more faith to believe in your
intellect than it does me to have faith in God's intellect.

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That is, until you surrender your intellect in order to allow faith in you can have no intelligent thought about religion?

Is that actually what you are saying?

Can you see how ridiculous that is?

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dlowan wrote:

That is, until you surrender your intellect in order to allow faith in you can have no intelligent thought about religion?

Is that actually what you are saying?

Can you see how ridiculous that is?

I was editing the last line as your post came in. But, yes
that is exactly what I am saying. That is why you see it
as ridiculous.

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That's just zgreat. Wink

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I rather favor Christianity that encourages all the intellect available to humankind. The problem is, unless one has personally experienced something or can rationalize it scientifically, the rational conclusion is that Christian faith is superstitious nonsense.

Yet to those who have experienced it, it makes perfect sense and is completely rational.

So we have one side trying to prove the unprovable to those to whom it is unproved, and you have the other side trying to prove the unprovable to those it has been proven to. That isn't easy, nor was the previous sentence.

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Proven, Fox? What is your definition of proven there?

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http://www.knology.net/~nova5/graphics/funny/rational.jpg

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zgreat's quote, "Intellect is not repressed, you just don't have any about spiritual
things until you have faith."
Look at all the cultures that had "faith" in what they believed, and it wasn't even christianity. But you gotta believe in the christian god to be saved. Amen!

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That's what's so hard to explain Dlowan. The Christian faith is not so much a belief system as an experience of a phenomenon that theologians call the indwelling Christ. Most say it changes them and gives them a different outlook on things, all to the better of course. How it is manifested in people differs on whether the person insists on being rational or whether the person yields to indoctrination on how a "Christian" believes and behaves.

But how is a personal experience proved to a person who hasn't had it? Of course it can't be. And how is a person who hasn't had it to believe it. Most can't.

So 'proved' I think what a person can believe based on experience and intellect.

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Thanks, Foxfyre. Well said.

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christianity, not unlike all other supranatural mythologies, is a culturally inherited pathology primarily rooted in greatly inflated egotism. we be the masters of the natural world, created in gods image<>let there be light was the commandment and so we shut our eyes to reason and responsibility so as to offer our souls to faith. I only hope that the next coming of "let there be light" will not be "nuclear" light. you haul your ashes baby, I'll haul mine cause at my age I just don't care anymore and there isn't that much more time in which you can harm me. I may be liberal to a degree but if you think I would let a christian move in next door or marry my grand-daughter you must think I am crazy.

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The other dichotomy of the debate of course is that athiests often look at Christians and/or other people of faith as being close minded to the truth. And, people of faith I think probably look at athiests as being the closed minded ones. This isn't an easy one to solve by anyone who presumes to solve it.

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Fox, There's nothing to solve. What is, is. That's all she wrote.

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I know C.I., I know. It's of sociological interest, however, how athiests are so often interested, even sometimes fascinated by religion, rejecting it, and removing themselves from it while at the same time Christians are interested in having others share their faith.

If this thread serves no other purpose, it shows how those two camps are inevitably going to clash big time.

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the barbarians brought down the gates to Rome, and not a minute too soon.

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