Why is it so important to refute Christianity?

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I have read quite a few books about world religions. I even minored in that topic in college. Having studied the origin of Judeaism and Christianity I find that there are kernels of wisdom in these religons. I do not ascribe to any particular religion and wince when people have tried to convert me to theirs. "Actually, when I was younger and a bit fresher on a variety of scriptures, I enjoyed indulging Jehovah's Witnesses in their requests for a little bible discussion." I did this, as well or about two months and they never returned. I would pick a topic from the bible and we would discuss it. I am sure that they thought that they would convert me but it never happened. I ound that they were quite ignorant about many concepts in the bible and their meaning.

My main concern now is the fervor that the Christian Right Wing is trying to actually change laws in America and their demand that their brand of religion should be practiced by everyone. Anytime I can, I remind them that the Jesus in their bible was a Socialist, not a Republican.

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pistoff wrote:

I have read quite a few books about world religions. I even minored in that topic in college. Having studied the origin of Judeaism and Christianity I find that there are kernels of wisdom in these religons. I do not ascribe to any particular religion and wince when people have tried to convert me to theirs. "Actually, when I was younger and a bit fresher on a variety of scriptures, I enjoyed indulging Jehovah's Witnesses in their requests for a little bible discussion." I did this, as well or about two months and they never returned. I would pick a topic from the bible and we would discuss it. I am sure that they thought that they would convert me but it never happened. I ound that they were quite ignorant about many concepts in the bible and their meaning.

My main concern now is the fervor that the Christian Right Wing is trying to actually change laws in America and their demand that their brand of religion should be practiced by everyone. Anytime I can, I remind them that the Jesus in their bible was a Socialist, not a Republican.

Christians in the beginning of this country wrote our laws based on
Biblical principles. Why would we not have fevor to regain what
what this country has lost. The Supreme Court said in 1892 that
this was a Christian country. They can't say that now and look at
the perverted mess we are in. You probably haven't noticed, based
on what you said in your last paragraph. You and some of your
constituents may share the below description??? You judge, since
you are such a scholar of the Bible. You should also know that
pure Christianity, untampered with by people trying to make one
out of it, is not a religion. Sorry you are so pistoff. I sure don't
want to ruin your day by telling you where you could find some
real joy.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (Amplified Bible)

But the natural, nonspiritual man does not
accept or welcome or admit into his heart the
gifts and teachings and revelations of the
Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless
nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of
knowing them [of progressively recognizing,
understanding, and becoming better acquainted
with them] because they are spiritually discerned
and estimated and appreciated.

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The Supreme Court said in 1892 that
this was a Christian country. They can't say that now and look at
the perverted mess we are in.

Ah, yeah, it was a great old country in 1892. You had your carpet baggers, your lynchings, your ongoing encroachment on what remained of American Indian lands... 'Twas a grand time to be alive. This is why Mark Twain had such a pollyannic outlook on life.

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For a posolutely high-larious take on the religiously fervent, try Mr. Clemens' Captain Stormfield's Visit to Heaven.

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Why is it so important to refute Christianity?

To refute and attack any claim of a super-natural-being is vital to the faith held by many ardent atheists and agnostics - not easy to find someone aspiring to be wrong.

Besides, why go out door-to-door as the theists; anonymously spreading a message while comfortably seated seems much easier.

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chiso's quote, "To refute and attack any claim of a super-natural-being is vital to the faith held by many ardent atheists and agnostics - not easy to find someone aspiring to be wrong." Wrong. Most of us don't give a sheet why religious folks believe what they believe. We just don't want them preaching to us about salvation and the christian way. Atheists do not have a "faith." There is no logic in believing in any religion or god(s), because those professing religion have not shown they live better or more ethical/humanistic lives than the unreligious. If you want examples, I'd be more than happy to provide - many.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Most of us don't give a sheet why religious folks believe what they believe. We just don't want them preaching to us about salvation and the christian way.

If my objective was to avoid a religious message - I would avoid a religious forum.
But hey, that’s just me.

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chiso, No. We participate in these "religious" forums, because it's all about philosophy and logic.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Most of us don't give a sheet why religious folks believe what they believe. We just don't want them preaching to us about salvation and the christian way.

I really do not see that happening here to much.

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husker, It doesn't. Most discussions are more of an emphasis on philosophy-science/evolution-creationism than religion. Many profess their religious beliefs, but do not try to convert any of the participants - as far as I'm concerned.

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No Christian with any Biblical sense trys to convert anybody,
because they can't. We only present a knowledge of a Christ
who can. All are still free to pursue their intellectual way, to
their own detriment. He will not force Himself on anybody.

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zgreat's quote, "All are still free to pursue their intellectual way, to their own detriment." And what, may I ask, is to our "own detriment?"

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cicerone imposter wrote:

There is no logic in believing in any religion...

cicerone imposter wrote:

We participate in these "religious" forums, because it's all about philosophy and logic.

If I felt there was no logic in religion – I wouldn’t attend a religious forum for the logic.
But hey, that’s just me.

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chiso, FYI, religion encompases more than christianity.

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But, hey, that's me!

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Zgreat, we are free to pursue our own intellectual ways. You are right. But there have times in the past where such freedom, won us the derision of "free thinker" or "heretic" and a visit to the stake. My perception is that religion per se is not the problem. My God, what wonderful thinkers we see in Neibuhr, Tillich, Lewis, Kirkegaard, and others whose names I also cannot spell. It is the fundamentalist whom I fear, whether he be Christian or Muslim. I agree wholeheartedly, C.I.: "religion" encompasses much more than Christianity.

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No Christian with any Biblical sense trys to convert anybody,
because they can't. We only present a knowledge of a Christ
who can. All are still free to pursue their intellectual way, to
their own detriment. He will not force Himself on anybody.

zgreatarteest - You state that no one forces anyone to convert, but if they don't it is to their detriment. If ever there was a religiocentric attitude, there it is. You know that there are people living perfectly fulfilled lives, without either knowing about and/or caring about Christ.

It is both amusing and frightening that people actually believe those sorts of things. It is that kind of thinking that brought on the Inquisition, holy wars and other abominations upon mankind.

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But Phoenix, Zgreat didn't say it was to a person's detriment not to accept Christ. He or she only said that if anyone was to be converted from athiesm or any different faith to Christianity, it would have to be Christ who made it happen.

As that is the case, I never fail to be amazed at Christians who introduce Christ in such unattractive ways. For instance, I don't know a single person who, when advised he otherwise was headed straight to hell, suddenly had a transforming epiphany and became a Christian.

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Phoenix32890 wrote:

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No Christian with any Biblical sense trys to convert anybody,
because they can't. We only present a knowledge of a Christ
who can. All are still free to pursue their intellectual way, to
their own detriment. He will not force Himself on anybody.

zgreatarteest - You state that no one forces anyone to convert, but if they don't it is to their detriment. If ever there was a religiocentric attitude, there it is. You know that there are people living perfectly fulfilled lives, without either knowing about and/or caring about Christ.

It is both amusing and frightening that people actually believe those sorts of things. It is that kind of thinking that brought on the Inquisition, holy wars and other abominations upon mankind.

You, I guess, misread what I said. I said a person was free to pursue
their INTELLECTUAL DETRIMENT. Meaning you cannot intellectualize
the God of the Bible. If you could He would be no smarter than us.
You can only experience Him spiritually which will change things you
can experience or be seen in the natural. You can intellectualize all
of the other "religious" gods because there is nothing spiritual about
them. It is not amusing, but frightening that people live lives that seem
fulfulling, but as Jesus put it, "Are whitewashed tombs". Christianty is
not all about this physical life. I do not expect you to understand this.

Yes, there have been a lot of misguided Christians back then and now.
There also a lot of misguided religiious people as well, ie Muslems, etc.
Christianity is not a religion, but as I have said before, many have tried
and still try to make one out of it. I would not expect you to understand
this either.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Most of us don't give a sheet why religious folks believe what they believe. We just don't want them preaching to us about salvation and the christian way.

cicerone imposter wrote:

FYI, religion encompases more than christianity.

If I were practicing integrity, I wouldn't use two terms synonymously - then send someone that never did an 'FYI' on the distinction of their terms.
But hey, that's just me.

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