Do we really have to take military action to Syria?

@engineer,

Common! You REALLY THINK Assad did it? Not the terrorists? Like those ones who eat hearts of killed Syrian soldier and making video of it? Who benifits from that sarin attack? Assad "crossing red line" or Syrian Al Queda that may get military help from USA bombing? You really don't know that terrorists have already used sarin near Aleppo on May this year but US goverment pretends they don't hear about it?

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@Siberian,

Yeah because Assad is such a good guy. As Hilary noted, he's a "reformer."

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@Finn dAbuzz,

The man from Siberia is right and Putin is right, Assad had no motive and the AQ "rebels(TM)" who our tax dollars are supporting did.

Americans tend to assume that, because we would not be capable of something, others would not be capable of it. Bad assumption. Take the idea of croaking out 2000 or 5000 of your own people for some ulterior motive for instance... Americans would not be capable of that. But jihadis ARE capable of that. A simple google search on the three terms || clinton izetbegovic 5,000 || should do for starters, e.g.

http://dobbs.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/02/07/genocide_without_corpses_0

The American people are subjected to a steady diet of bullshit and we need to learn how to think and read past it.

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@gungasnake,

Sure it's possible that the rebels were responsible for the attack, but it's just as possible (and probably more so) that Assad was.

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@peter jeffrey cobb,

I Am sure the UN has some of the Worlds best investigators on the job. When they are done they should have the names of everyone involved in the crime. When and how it took place, all the evidence they can gather to present it to the court.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I'd rate it nine ways out of ten that the rebels were responsible, one way that somebody ranking no higher than a lieutenant in the Syrian army or some militiaman was, and zero ways that Assad himself had any hand in it.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

The other thing you have to keep in mind is that Putin has stated that he would back UN action against Syria if any real proof of Assad's use of sarin could be shown, and no such evidence has been forthcoming.

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@gungasnake,

nor has the USA or anyone else presented any, all we get is "we are sure assad is RESPONSIBLE, and you should believe us" . I am registering a language trick here, that what they are saying is that even if assad had nothing to do with launching the attack he was responsible for stopping it, thus once the UN proved this was Sarin Assad was on the hook for it. Putin only wants to hold assad responsible if he ordered the attack, he seems to remember that there is a multi party war going in in Syria right now.

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@hawkeye10,

the plan to help the portion of the rebels who are not muslim terrorists has backfired, the terrorists have decided that anyone who deals with the CIA is an enemy who will be eliminated. Obamas plans are resulting in the opposite of what his stated goals are, which is shocking I know. now if he would bomb assads forces they would be thrilled.

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@hawkeye10,

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...the plan to help the portion of the rebels who are not muslim terrorists...

The basic idea is patent bullshit. Money is fungible and to a slightly lesser degree, so are arms and ammunition. There is no such thing as aiding only the non-AQ non-mobro non-other-terrorist people in such an endeavor.

Our tax dollars are being used to aid terrorists and an outright war on Christianity and Christians.

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@gungasnake,

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Our tax dollars are being used to aid terrorists and an outright war on Christianity and Christians.

You've got the first part right, Gunga. Your tax dollars support the largest terrorist group on the planet, the US government and all its evil little organizations.

They don't really care if it's christians standing in the way of the booty they want to plunder. Christians die as easily as any other religious group.

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@gungasnake,

The Professors brain dead as well as dishonest foreign policy will keep some historians busy for awhile pondering. I was reading somewhere that the terrorists are doing far better than the alleged moderate rebel forces at fundraising and arms raising, and are also doing much better at recruiting troops, so I think we know how this turns out. funny how our intel programs can blow through hundreds of billions of dollars per year but seemingly cant get the basics right, assuming that some intel guys
at some point told Obama that arming the moderate rebels could work.

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@hawkeye10,

Are you and snake part of the CIA? Where do you get all this information. I like to think I am well read but cant find where anyone states who among the rebels are in charge.

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@RABEL222,

You just have to assume hawk has very good imagination without much in the way of factual information.

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@RABEL222,

I read around. check out Miami Herald 9.19 piece by Gutman for a taste.

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@hawkeye10,

another

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The stream of U.S. weapons heading to moderate rebel groups in Syria is being offset by a fresh torrent of cash for Islamist extremists, much of it from small networks of Arab donors who see the Syrian conflict as a step toward a broader Islamist uprising across the region, U.S. and Middle Eastern officials say.

The private donors, who use Twitter and other social media to collect millions of dollars from sympathetic Muslims, are providing crucial backing for Islamist militias that appear to be gaining ground in northern and eastern Syria, even as fighting stalls elsewhere, the officials said

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/private-donations-give-edge-to-islamists-in-syria-officials-say/2013/09/21/a6c783d2-2207-11e3-a358-1144dee636dd_story.html

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@hawkeye10,

another

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The stream of U.S. weapons heading to moderate rebel groups in Syria is being offset by a fresh torrent of cash for Islamist extremists, much of it from small networks of Arab donors who see the Syrian conflict as a step toward a broader Islamist uprising across the region, U.S. and Middle Eastern officials say.

The private donors, who use Twitter and other social media to collect millions of dollars from sympathetic Muslims, are providing crucial backing for Islamist militias that appear to be gaining ground in northern and eastern Syria, even as fighting stalls elsewhere, the officials said

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/private-donations-give-edge-to-islamists-in-syria-officials-say/2013/09/21/a6c783d2-2207-11e3-a358-1144dee636dd_story.html

another

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Rebel leaders in Syria warned last night that gunmen linked to Al Qaeda were undermining the battle to oust tyrant Bashar al-Assad.

Hundreds of rebel fighters are defecting and pledging allegiance to the extremists, according to sources.

Entire units are said to have joined the small but powerful Al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front and Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in recent days.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2426854/Syrian-rebels-defect-Islamists-western-backed-groups-say-jihadists-undermining-revolution.html

and this
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/2/syria-jihad-central-6000-terrorists-flood-new-al-q/?page=all

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@hawkeye10,

It's the Mother of all Battles Saddam said.

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@spendius,

egypt just did a U Turn outlawing the Brotherhood again having decided that Mubarak was right all along. we dont like these guys who kept order, but as Somolia and Afghanistan prove chaos can be a whole lot worse. Lybia is looking to be another lesson on this.

we should have learned our lesson with Yugoslavia.

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@peter jeffrey cobb,

The use of chemical weapons its against the law for all Nations
All Nations should destroy their Chemical weapons. It is good to see that there is one Nation taking the first step.

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