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Do we really have to take military action to Syria?

 
 
roger
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 02:53 pm
@revelette,
revelette wrote:

I haven't heard that particular argument from the "government." The term "boots on the ground" typically means troops as in the military. No one has denied the unfortunate deaths at Libya, least of all Obama.

I listened to his press conference at the summit, I am not 100% sure but think Obama said the report of enlarged targets was inaccurate. Could be wrong.


I didn't listen to the press conference, but you point out something about Obama that was first observed before his first term of office. The guy has an uncanny ability to address a group of polar opposites and have both factions come out thinking he pretty much agreed with both of them - which just isn't possible.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 02:55 pm
@roger,
Is that lawyer speak or just double-talk? LOL
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 02:58 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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I guess that is the way they would do it in the movies.


What planet you bin living on, Frank?
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 03:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Maybe it just comes naturally for some people.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 03:27 pm
@roger,
Quote:
The guy has an uncanny ability to address a group of polar opposites and have both factions come out thinking he pretty much agreed with both of them - which just isn't possible.


Oh yes it is possible. It's more than possible. It's pretty common.

RT had a 4-way international discussion the other night entitled THE OBAMA LAUGH TEST.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 03:30 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

Maybe it just comes naturally for some people.


People who go into politics.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 05:13 pm
@izzythepush,
Congress has been urgently recalled and is going to indulge in a session of grandstanding and Obarmy has announced that he doesn't give a **** what they conclude from their deliberations.

That they have gone the way the Roman Senate did.

He faced down the USSC over something or other and now Congress is irrelevant.

Whoever inherits the mantle is going to love it.
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 06:16 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Just make both parties an offer they cant refuse. Get service charge for the conflict. (2,000,000 refuges $XX.XX per day charge for shelter and services for them = $X,XXX,XXX,XXX plus damage to near countries tourism trade $X,XXX,XXX,XXX plus the cost anything else is affecting $X,XXX,XXX,XXX = XX,XXX,XXX,XXX) The Citizens of the World is paying this because of your conflict and we want the money back now, we don't trust your credit, you are in a conflict.
But of course if you are showing that you are working on a Peace agreement to resolve this issue. We could allow you more time for you reimburse our money.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 07:25 pm
Of course they are slowly winding down the war in Afghanistan and we do have all these neat weapons and troops handy -
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 07:31 pm
@izzythepush,
I know two good people who went into politics and remained good people.



We could use better people entering politics for serious reasons.
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 07:51 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Nations at conflict should be charged. Clearly you can see the monetary damage it does to the World community. As long as their are at conflict they should compensate right away for the damage it does, until it is ceased. The World community should not be hold responsible for their damage.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 08:12 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:

Nations at conflict should be charged. Clearly you can see the monetary damage it does to the World community. As long as their are at conflict they should compensate right away for the damage it does, until it is ceased. The World community should not be hold responsible for their damage.


until the peoples of this planet approve of a global government there is no authority to set the charges, or to collect.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 08:18 pm
@hawkeye10,
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until the peoples of this planet approve of a global government there is no authority to set the charges, or to collect.


There is actually, Hawk, and the US has used it extensively for propaganda purposes and to advance its own evil and exceedingly greedy interests. Did I mention exceedingly evil yet?

But when it came time for the US to pay the piper, guess what the Rogue Nation did?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 08:53 pm
@edgarblythe,
We keep hearing about the slow progress made to provide our veterans with the benefits they earned by serving in our military, and our government still wants to start another war when all the past wars haven't even been taken care of or paid for.

These same people think our teachers are paid too much, and they're cutting the food program for Americans by $40 billion dollars.



edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 08:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That's right. The war machine and big business have a stranglehold that only an enlightened electorate can break and we may never again have enough of that.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 09:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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our government still wants to start another war when all the past wars haven't even been taken care of or paid for.


Ever the sheeple, aren't you, CI. The US hasn't been in a war for a long long time. Go ahead you can do it, call 'em what they are - illegal invasions of poor countries aimed at stealing the bread from people who are a whole lot worse off than those on US food programs.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2013 01:49 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
How would you be able to enforce that?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2013 04:23 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
You are falling all over yourself ignoring the indisputable fact that the USA has always trained and backed death squads across the planet.

Nonsense. I don't ignore the fact that the US uses Green Berets to train irregular armies to fight on our behalf.

I not only freely admit that we do it, I openly endorse our use of the tactic.


As for the characterization of irregular armies as "death squads", that's a bit pejorative. But it is true that when you turn irregulars lose to wreak havoc on your enemies, there are bound to be a few unfortunate incidents.

Such is war.
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revelette
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2013 06:18 am
@roger,
He is a good speaker and kind of known for looking at both sides of every issue which might come out as like you described. In any event, the "enlarged targets" might be the consideration of training rebels outside of Syria. Apparently there is already a mission being done by the CIA in Jordan, but there is a plan (according to the article) being considered to have troops do it so that more can be trained. So, technically, this is a program already going on and not connected to the chemical weapons strike debate.

US Officials: US Considers Training Syria Rebels

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The Obama administration is considering a plan to use U.S. military trainers to help increase the capabilities of the Syrian rebels, in a move that would greatly expand the current CIA training being done quietly in Jordan, U.S. officials told The Associated Press on Thursday.

Any training would take place outside Syria, and one possible location would be Jordan.

The officials said no decision had been made, but that discussions were going on at high levels of the government. It comes as the Obama administration prods Congress to authorize limited military strikes against Syrian President Bashar Assad's government in retaliation for a deadly Aug. 21 chemical weapons attack.

The proposal to use the U.S. military to train the rebels — something the administration has resisted through more than two years of civil war — would answer the demands of some lawmakers, including Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., to do more to train and equip the Syrian opposition. President Barack Obama in June decided to provide lethal aid to the rebels, but so far none of that assistance has gotten to the opposition.

Officials said Thursday that talk about a military training mission has increased but that there have been no specific Pentagon recommendations forwarded to the White House on how big it should be or how many troops it should involve.

The CIA has been training select groups of rebels in Jordan on the use of communications equipment and some weapons provided by Gulf states. The new discussions center on whether the U.S. military should take over the mission so that hundreds or thousands can be trained, rather than just dozens.
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2013 07:35 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
To enforce we just have to refine the process stated here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice
 

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