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Do we really have to take military action to Syria?

 
 
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 06:38 am
Orallie, What's this I hear?.... Boots on the ground.

More like slippers in your case.
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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 06:42 am
Orallie will you be wearing your Spiderman or your Darth Vader slippers when you land in Syria?.

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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 06:46 am
@edgarblythe,
It's all about the Balkans of Eurasia problem and the petro-dollar cycle.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 08:18 am
@oralloy,
You fail to see most everything of importance and you lie in every manner that it is possible to lie. You lie outright, you lie by omission and every way between and on each end

You lie even though you know what you are saying is a gigantic lie. That's a grand indicator of just how amoral you are.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 08:27 am
@wmwcjr,
You're welcome, WM.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 08:35 am
@oralloy,
You are falling all over yourself ignoring the indisputable fact that the USA has always trained and backed death squads across the planet. That is what is so unbelievable about all this posturing by the US, and people like you, pretending that the US is actually concerned about people dying.

The US is simply pissed off that someone else is operating death squads when they have the patent/copyright. It's all just another US grand propaganda scheme - Hey everybody, look at our big, shiny, white hats. The savior of oppressed people once again rides to the rescue.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 10:07 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

No boots on the ground has barely left his lips before boots on the ground is proposed.

there were no boots on the ground in Libya, the government argument is that the soldiers were CIA not military so they dont count as boots.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 10:37 am
@hawkeye10,
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there were no boots on the ground in Libya, the government argument is that the soldiers were CIA not military so they dont count as boots.


That the CIA was there most assuredly counts as terrorism, Hawk. The CIA is pretty much everywhere, daily committing acts of terrorism. Is that what you want the USA to be?

The bloody US ambassador was a terrorist. That may very well be what got him killed.
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 10:50 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
They could just have brought the 2 disputing parties, the Syria government and the party opposing the Government to the G8 meting and try to negotiate solution to the problem.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 10:54 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
That is an eminently sensible solution, Peter. Too bad that it rarely happens. And the people who get elected to high positions are supposed to be adults.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 10:54 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:

They could just have brought the 2 disputing parties, the Syria government and the party opposing the Government to the G8 meting and try to negotiate solution to the problem.

the rebels keep fighting between themselves so there is no one to negotiate with, and Obama keeps promising to join the war on their side so why would they negotiate to get only part of what they want?
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 11:02 am
@hawkeye10,
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and Obama keeps promising to join the war on their side


Which only highlights how predisposed the US is to perpetuating evil.
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 11:42 am
@hawkeye10,
I haven't heard that particular argument from the "government." The term "boots on the ground" typically means troops as in the military. No one has denied the unfortunate deaths at Libya, least of all Obama.

I listened to his press conference at the summit, I am not 100% sure but think Obama said the report of enlarged targets was inaccurate. Could be wrong.

peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 12:26 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
There might be more than 2 parties involved. So get all the parties with something they want. Get them on a table and discuss what an agreement between all parties that can be agreed upon so there is minimal loss of dead and wounded from all sides involved. What better place for it to happen than a room at an event such as G8 summit. Why not just have a G8 summit just for trying to resolve this conflict with parties involved,
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 01:14 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
I think they have thought of that Pete.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 01:28 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
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Why not just have a G8 summit just for trying to resolve this conflict with parties involved,


Because dead men, women and children are not as important as interest rates and international trade, that is of course unless dead men, women and children interfere with international trade.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 01:48 pm
I think the Senate's version of the resolution has just killed any chance of it passing.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/09/The-Senates-Syria-Resolution-Has-a-Huge-Secret-Giveaway-to-the-President/279421/

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Not much has changed in the past 20 years. Faced with a question of war and peace, Congress as an institution seems to hope the president will act without asking permission. That way, members can attack him if things go south, and pass resolutions praising themselves if they go well.

Even what seems like a step back for executive power may actually be a retreat for Congress's shared responsibility. For an example, look at the language of the Senate joint resolution approved this week by the Foreign Relations Committee to authorize a military strike in Syria. Hidden among the "whereas" boilerplate in the document -- mostly discussing the villainy of Assad and the danger of chemical weapons -- is this short clause: "Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to use force in order to defend the national security interests of the United States ..."

Glides right past the eye, doesn't it? Good old Constitution, empowering the president to protect us all!

The only problem is it's not true, and it represents a two-century high-water mark in claims of executive power. Having been consulted by the president, Congress is poised to respond by throwing back at him not only the current decision but sweeping new powers he didn't have before.

During this crisis, all of us should be checking Lawfare the way heart patients check their pulses. Jack Goldsmith of Harvard, writing there, was the first I know of to pick up the strange little constitutional time bomb:

The draft AUMF enhances, through congressional recognition, the President's claims of independent constitutional authority to use force in Syria. Here is why. The draft acknowledges in its last "Whereas" clause that the President "has authority under the Constitution to use force in order to defend the national security interests of the United States." This broad and unqualified congressional acknowledgment of independent presidential constitutional power takes on special significance when combined with other "Whereas" findings, especially Congress's recognition that (a) "Syria's acquisition of weapons of mass destruction threatens ... the national security interests of the United States; and (b) "Syria's use of weapons of mass destruction and its conduct and actions constitute a grave threat to ... the national security interests of the United States." (My emphases.)


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Note that this astonishing language did not appear in the administration's own draft authorization. Having been asked for broad authority already, the warriors on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, for all their minimizing language, have in practice widened the White House's mandate -- to the point that, if it is adopted by Congress, neither Barack Obama nor any future president will likely have to come back for additional authority to fight against Syria and its chemical weapons anywhere in the region. And it will have written into law an explicit statement that the president doesn't need authorization to use force anywhere, any time he or she determines that "national security" demands it.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 01:48 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:

There might be more than 2 parties involved. So get all the parties with something they want. Get them on a table and discuss what an agreement between all parties that can be agreed upon so there is minimal loss of dead and wounded from all sides involved. What better place for it to happen than a room at an event such as G8 summit. Why not just have a G8 summit just for trying to resolve this conflict with parties involved,


I guess that is the way they would do it in the movies. But real life has other problems...and, although I acknowledge you for wanting this to be resolved, this idea of yours is dreamworld.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 02:15 pm
@Butrflynet,
Our country has already gone down the ****-hole, and everybody knows it!

Too bad it had to happen during my life time.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 02:51 pm
Here's the complete text of the Senate Committee's resolution, if you have interest in reading it without a media filter:

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/DAV13973.pdf
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